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He didn't defend the Black Israelites, he said they could have been triggered by the MAGA hats. Context helps us understand why people act like they do, but it doesn't give them a pass for how they actually act.
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How can people like this pass any kind of scrutiny to hold a firearm, much less wear a badge?
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This. I do think that the Left can be guilty of framing their issues with exclusivity in terms like racism/sexism/other-kinds-of-bigotry. But the issue of exclusivity is a real one. When a person wants for their own kids what they will not grant to society's children at large, fissures are planted in society that create class divide.
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I think the conclusions you're drawing from the poll are a bit specious. 1) If most people's wishes were being served by the present system, 71% wouldn't support their ideal version of MFA. 2) While a majority of people agree on the policy goal, it's rare that the same majority would agree on the method of obtaining this goal. 3) I think people would happily trade higher taxes for lower or no medical bills. In my mind, the electorate should shape the goal (MFA) but legislation should shape how we get there (within input from all ideologies). What is the argument for having private insurance companies, again?
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This is kind of awesome. The Nixon Foundation trying to distance itself from Stone.
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I think he was motivated because a series of recent polls came out, where his favorability fell below 35 in some instances.
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Me too. I initially wanted new blood. But I clearly underestimated her political resolve.
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-caves-on-shutdown-pisses-off-people-who-love-him
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Sure. However, there's a significant distinction between protecting a minority and allowing that minority to rule adversely to a significant majority. The founding father's didn't anticipate 50 states, the majority of which are rural, so we shouldn't impute their initial motives onto our current, disparate state-make-up.
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Are you kidding me? A democracy is made of people not of states. Are you willing to give up democracy to get your desired result? Maybe we should go back to only property owners should have the right to vote!
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30% is the minority (although representing 2/3rds of the states). It's tyranny because it overrides the majority's will. Democracy and all that.
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You're right! I was totally condoning death threats! (And of course I agree that we should acknowledge our own biases. But I don't see much virtue in how you go about moralizing.)
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No. I have not. I uttered not a single word condoning doxxing or death threats, and framed the initial reaction as an "overreaction" repeatedly. (That you would take my posts as such seems awfully disingenuous--see my first post in the conversation at #26). Where there was disagreement is why that overeaction happened (sloppy liberals v. the cultural climate created by MAGA troopers) or who was to blame. The whole point of the spiderman meme was that both tribes are pointing at each other's confirmation bias (I guess the self-criticism went over your head, given your (irony) response). It's one thing to disagree. But it's just sloppy, if not malicious, to misconstrue, other poster's arguments; especially about something like death threats. That kind hyperbole isn't helpful; and typically moralizing is rarely helpful.
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Who the heck ever said anything close to that death threats were justified by the hats? You are the best strawman-knocker-downer I know. I did say that if you wear MAGA hats to a public demonstration, it's fair to expect some criticism. I don't think any poster here has gone beyond that. The kids didn't deserve death threats, but they deserved scrutiny if not criticism.
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I don't understand why my "I hate women" shirt didn't go over well at the feminist convention. They should have given me the benefit of the doubt and taken the time to get to know me.
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I think the recent discussion boils down to this:
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Just a tease.
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I thought we'd see more movement on Clemens/Bonds. I don't think they're getting in.
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I just thought they were asshats, and I still think they are. The first stories I read mentioned the Black Isrealites and contained quotes from the Native American guy. I still think his valid perspective and reaction is being poo-pooed in favor a more innocent explanation for the MAGA kids. This isn't the case of people getting inflamed by a total non-truth, like Pizzagate or something, but rather that people lacked context and overreated to what was still problematic behavior. Indeed, in my mind, the reaction to the overreation is totally overblown.
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I don't think this kind of absolute statement is true. The early narrative lacked context (from which people overreacted/made assumptions), but it wasn't entirely wrong. You're not suggesting that the MAGA teens were completely innocent, are you? And to be fair, we probably encountered the story for the first time in a variety of contexts with varying depth/factual accounting.
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Also, we should tread carefully, it looks like this is the 666th thread in the Sport Bar.
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I mean, I think there's a lot of assumptions about what people here and elsewhere thought when looking at the initial video. Does the fact some Black Isrealites were the real a-holes change the Native American's reaction to how he felt when faced with the MAGA kids? We should only be willing to eat crow about what we're actually wrong about. Maybe there's a bunch of people in twitter-verse who should be eating crow, but no one here should. The righteousness of few posters criticizing the overreaction is a bit of kettle-meet-pot, to me.
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First, all forms of overreaction are problematic. However, I hardly blame liberals for the environment that allows for them to prejudge a smug-MAGA wearing teenager for standing face-to-face with an elder Native American. Context matters. But that isolated shot and initial video are symbols of the larger cultural moment, whether or not that the specific moment stands on all fours with people's initial criticism. If you want to go around wearing a MAGA hat, such is your right, but the expectation to be free from judgement is both unrealistic and disingenuous. When wearing a MAGA hat, people might think you're a racist, and especially so when you do what looks to be racist things; it's not on everyone else to root out the context to disspell what's a reasonable first impression given the cultural climate.
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Whether we give Sandmann a pass or not, I won't give his chaperones a pass.
