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  1. jokin
    As I said, the Royals are REALLY dumb, and I would never have considered any type of trade for Shields if he were to walk after 2014. Did I mention that that would be REALLY. DUMB?
  2. jokin
    Slightly improved? I'm not sure what stat chart you're referring to, he has always been an innings-eater, but the last 3 years he has been a dominant innings-eating guy you build a team around. Shields ranks in the top 7 pitchers by WAR in all of baseball since 2011 and has the most innings pitched. The logical question to counter-propose to you is this: How do the Twins take the necessary step(s) to making their pitching staff a legit postseason contender? They absolutely refuse to sign an above-average, let alone, quality free agent pitcher, let alone an Ace level one. They have proven over time that they can't pick one in the draft or develop one in their farm program. Do they just hope that another Johan "magic set of beans" shows up in some obscure trade? I like the Meyer trade, but they are out of tradeable assets by your given strictures, unless Perkins can get you another A-ball prospect, and should all of the Twins eggs be laid in the Meyer basket- if that turns out rotten, then all of last offseason ends up for naught, anyways.
  3. jokin
    The whole deal would have depended on extending Shields as part of the tacit agreement. That the Royals made the deal without that assurance is REALLY dumb.
  4. jokin
    Doubt it's all 29, probably only the ones that already have their starting pitching in order.
  5. jokin
    Again, you limited the trade to 2 for 1, that didn't happen, and wouldn't have happened, as that would have been dumb, and not what this side of the argument suggested.
  6. jokin
    Except that Shields is far from typical. He's actually improving with age. At this point there is no evidence to suggest that he's due for an imminent physical dropoff. I'm not sure that the trade would have taken Sano and Gibson. The Rays had a huge hole in CF, as well. Probably so, but you neglect to acknowledge that the Royals also got a young (27 years old), and very serviceable, and signed very inexpensively through 2017 @ multiple team options, Wade Davis- certainly not a front-end starter, but he alone would likely have been one of the top pitchers on the Twins starting rotation. His overall numbers this year don't look that good, but over his last 6 starts he has a 3.68 FIP and his K/9 is 9.26.
  7. jokin
    Can I humbly suggest that #2 is just your opinion. While I accept that may very well have happened, acquiring a front-line starter has to take precedence over anything else- IMO, it clearly would have been painful, but the right thing to do. Starting pitching at the highest quality level is the ultimate game changer in winning in the playoffs. Acquiring the position player pieces to fit around the quality pitching is far easier to accomplish through the draft or FA- and no matter how good the position players might be, there just isn't as much differential impact between a top- and above average- position player- as there is between an Ace pitcher and the dregs that the Twins have been employing in the past since the departure of Santana and currently are sporting in the rotation.
  8. jokin
    Shields has shown no signs of a drop-off, while there's always risk involved, there's no reason to assume that he can't pitch effectively to age 36 (2018). It's certainly yet to be proven that Gibson or Meyer will match Shields career numbers.
  9. jokin
    Acquiring James Shields and giving him an extension to 2018, through age 36, should have been a team priority. Gibson and Meyer are speculation at this point, it's inaccurate to say today, that we know, for sure, that having these 2 instead of Shields "does" make the team significantly better moving forward
  10. jokin
    I guess you showed them, too. And please, rather than make a declarative statement, present evidence why those who disagree are wrong. I'll wait.......
  11. jokin
    You and I showed them, didn't we...? I dropped my season tickets long ago... right when they determined that they would rather Kill the Franchise for Profit, through legal means, if necessary- selfishly preferring that route over selling the club to interests that actually would have put paramount importance on returning the Twins to the winners circle.
  12. jokin
    How about a trade with the Reds, a team that the Twins have some history and connection to? While Cincy has no need for one of our SP dump-offs, they might very well find Perkins intriguing, he fits in perfectly with their RP expectations and would immediately become their best non-closer overall RP, 2nd best lefty RP option, best high-leverage option, alternative closer and cheap insurance to a potential Chapman breakdown. The Reds bullpen is currently ranked a lowly 21st, and while their SP has put up good numbers, they are pretty much 6 inning guys. If they are motivated enough to make a big push in the competitive NL Central, would they be willing to unload a package for package deal that included 20 year old Robert Stephenson- currently A-ball level, but potential future front-end starter?
  13. jokin
    1) Uhh, yeah it was an option. 2) You saying "it wasn't going to work" doesn't necessarily make it so
  14. jokin
    You say these things like they're obvious and "facts". When they're not. Period. Have you ever been to Detroit? What's the attracton? Time for some helmet adjustment.
  15. jokin
    Go over to the minor league thread to see my response to you. It's actually a lot better than what you think. His FIP is 2.94, which ranks 2nd overall in the International League. I cited his last 10 games in the other thread, they are quite impressive, despite the clinkers. He's actually been decently consistent, and actually more consistent than just about anyone on the Twins or the Red Wings.
  16. jokin
    This "consistency" contention is totally unfounded, insipid and rather absurd. In Gibson's last 10 starts, he has had 4 games with ZERO runs scored (w/ a near no-hitter), his last 3 starts have been 1, 2 or 3 runs scored- all Quality Starts and then the 3 clinkers evenly sprinkled in the mix. During this 10 game run, his ERA is 2.89, his WHIP is 1.13, K/9 is 7.44, OBA is .228. Look back to last year's SP call-ups from Rochester, no one is close to these numbers. For that matter, no one is close to those numbers on the major league club.
  17. jokin
    Just to clarify, the defensive whiz, Son of Sal, had 2 of those 3 errors, which directly led to the 3 runs that were scored by Gwinnett in the 4th inning- oh- and he was O-fer the night, BA now at .154 in SSS. Chris Hermann pinch hit for him and came up big in the bottom of the 9th. Major overreaction about Gibson's night, he's proven he's more than ready to move up to the next level.
  18. jokin
    Since there doesn't appear to be any chance for a Jason Barlett-, or even Nick Punto- level SS coming up in the organization any time soon, I hold out some hope for my fully-acknowledged and nearly-impossible dream that Plouffe could channel his inner JJ Hardy at SS and somehow figure out a way to stay with the club as the Super-Utility guy, playing a little infield, outfield and DH, keeping a live and productive bat in the lineup on the off-days for whomever the SS, 2B and OFers happen to end up being. If he could play 50 games or so platooning competently at SS primarily against lefties and get 400-500 bats wherever he plays on the field and produces close to .800 OPS at the plate, it would be a huge additional asset, he undoubtedly will never get the big contracts that some of the up-and-comers will end up commanding- so he could add real value, unlike the other usual suspects that usually populate this Twins roster year after year.
  19. jokin
    Signing FA puts you in the conversation. Signing crapshoot FA on one year deals gives you a much better chance at being competitive should a couple rookies take the team by storm and/or some veterans produce career years. If those things don't work out, you deal them before the trading deadline or you say goodbye at the end of the year. This certainly wouldn't work for the Astros or Marlins, but there are/were more than enough pieces in place for the Twins after 2010 to have taken this route over whatever the heck that Ryan is currently trying to foist on the public. It makes no sense at retaining Morneau and signing guys like Willingham, Correia and Doumit if you're truly in a 5-year rebuilding plan- which the other side of this argument seem to be advocating that we are currently witnessing.
  20. jokin
    Sorry, I was just trying to bring some levity to the discussion, anything to help you dig out of the crater you've dug for yourself in this discussion. Major newsflash, not only have I heard of the Rays and Braves, I've actually used them in arguments in comparison to the Twins. And not surprisingly, since I've supported how they build their teams, I've never once advocated spending "stupid amounts of money", "giving it away", drunk or sober, or anywhere inbetween. Sorry, but you're "drunken prom-night straw-queen" just doesn't stand up under scrutiny from the folks on my side of the argument. I'm also one of many who's not spoiled by what transpired in the last decade. Besides trying to first contract themselves out of business instead of selling to someone fully committed to success on the field, the Twins subsequently also refused to add the key piece or pieces to get over the proverbial hump-- apparently being more than happy to win all of one playoff series- in 2002- and never seriously considering in taking the necessary step or steps to make themselves legitimate World Series contenders. The disastrous transition from 2010 to 2011 didn't have to mean that 2012, and now 2013 had to go the way that it has. It. Just. Didn't.
  21. jokin
    Is the Chief just crabby that the game was blacked out in Tuscon? Hey Chief, I got to watch the game live and in person tonight, 72 degree gametime temperature. I'll take that over 111 in your godforsaken desert anytime...
  22. jokin
    It's possible on my end, it's also possible you overstated your case. Apologies accepted. Either way, a fun game all around tonight, actually a little life in the old ballclub after all. Plouffe needs to establish whether he wants to be part of leading this team out of their morass or looking for opportunities elsewhere, along with a few other underperformers on this team. As of tonight, Plouffe is the only guy besides Mauer with an OPS over .800, he and Arcia have the chance to take over some of the hitting leadership on this club, as some of the other "safe" veterans continue to flounder.
  23. jokin
    Tonight was the best performance I've witnessed in person by the club this year. No need for nitpicking on the few-and-far-between nights like this.
  24. jokin
    Is that what I said? Why would you choose to pick a silly quibbling quarrel on a great night for the Twins and Plouffe, like tonight? Of course he won't do this every night, just more consistent production in the field and at the plate and a .800+OPS over 162 games, then we'd really have something here over the longer term. It's time for guys to step up on this team.
  25. jokin
    That's about right, but I think we can all agree that there's some mighty slim pickings for leadoff types on the grocery shelves these days.
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