Yes, I agree- I would suggest muting the T.V. and listening on the radio - between Provus, Attebury and Kyle Hammer, they rarely talk about the pitcher win, batting average, or errors without putting those terms in context. Gladden has warmed up over time to using more than the basic stats, but I think a lot of former players don't go much into the statistics beyond what is on the scoreboard (usually just Avg. HR, RBI or W-L, ERA, Strikeouts). There was a pretty long exchange last week between Gladden and Provus about the quality start. Provus was saying the QS is pretty worthless on an individual level, but might have some value over the course of the season if you track the entire starting staffs number of quality starts vs. games started. I think Gladden made a good point that it might not matter to the outcome of the game or to the team's overall success, but the player's agent sure cares about that stat. Probably wouldn't hear Bert having that discussion with Bremer unless it was in the spirit of keeping the ball on a downward plane and pitchers being the best athletes on the field.