Riverbrian

Mildly interesting side note? Never happened before in the history of baseball. Juiced ball... break out the asterisk if you must. It wasn't that interesting of a loss... it was our 52nd loss... there will be more of them in September.

I realize the MLB HR record has been a foregone conclusion for awhile, it was only a matter of time. I also realize that we just lost to Detroit. I also realize that Martin Perez is not setting any minds at ease. And I realize that we have a prolific contingent of posters who would rather discuss failure than discuss accomplishments. However... This team just broke the Home Run record and they did it before the Calendar turned September!!! You read this thread and you can only assume that the 52nd loss of the season obviously trumps the greatest home run hitting team ever assembled. Personally... I'm saying WOW!!! Thank You for giving me such a fantastic summer. I've witnessed history and I won't forget this.

I agree with you Cody on what you seem to be suggesting. When you look at the total numbers, the bullpen has performed decently as a collective unit. The numbers certainly suggest that torches and pitchforks are not necessary. However... I've made this point and similar points for a long time. The bullpen is in inch deep. The starting rotation is in inch deep. The starters have carried the bulk of the water, you illustrate this with your post of total relief Innings pitched. The Yankees and Rays have rotation question marks and a deep bullpen so they are using the pen more than we do. Our starters have masked possible bullpen issues by staying healthy and pitching deep into games. . If anything changes in that equation (Injuries or bad performance from the starters). The bullpen will have to show that it can handle the additional responsibility like the Yankees and Rays currently do. If the bullpen were to suffer an injury to one of the key 5... who will rise up to fill the role.... will it become the key 4 by default... What happens if it becomes the key 4. I agree that the bullpen has performed decently for what we have asked for them... what happens when we ask more of them?

You must also be hard on your stock broker.

In my eyes. That’s a fundamental problem. Not Smeltzer specifically. This is how health can hurt you. All the other teams have 6th and 7th choices with a decent amount of innings. The 6th choice has had the chance to show they are better than the 5th choice or the chance to show that they are not better. We will roll with the 5th choice and say it’s the best we can do. We have created no options or escape valves for ourselves.

With the offensive depth. A trade of (Rosario for example) for pitching is also a path that could be chosen. It’ll be an interesting off season. At least it better be an interesting one.

And the answer to that question is yes. Not saying Graterol will but a rookie having an impact has happened before. Hand him the ball and Let us see.

Why does it have to be "Graterol-led miracle". Do we have to have our expectations so high that we automatically hate life afterwards. Wouldn't it make sense to just see if he can simply improve a roster spot. Make us a little bit better... If he makes a lot better... Bonus!!!

It'll take a lot of research to answer your question and I don't have time for that. However... You can start with the Rookie of the year candidates in both the American League and National League each year and put them on the list. If you don't want to compare him to Price that's understandable but right now... It's a low bar... Can Graterol out perform Stashak? If the answer is yes... you put him on the roster and you don't think twice about it.

If he is the best they have down on the farm. They have no choice but to kick that clock into gear. Call him up and hand him the ball. He will not help us if he is not allowed to help. Now if you are convinced that the roster spots currently occupied by Stashak and Thorpe are the best we can do. Well then... there is no point messing around with Graterol. If you are convinced that Rogers, Romo, Dyson, May and Duffey and a couple of guys who will get the ball when it's 10-0 is enough... Well then... there is no point messing around with Graterol. If you are convinced that Rogers, Romo, Dyson, May and Duffey are enough to work with and that they are all guaranteed to be healthy for the playoffs. Well then... there is no point messing around with Graterol. If you are convinced that a rookie could never show up and get people out... Well then... there is no point messing around with Graterol. I am convinced of none of the above things. Call him up and hand him the ball... if he isn't ready... he isn't ready but there is really nothing to lose here and everything to gain. We have holes... we can either try to fill the holes or sit and complain that we have no one to fill the holes and not try. The choice between those two options is incredibly easy for me to make.

I have no idea what happened... but tell me if you could imagine this following scenario to be at least possible. Twins are talking with the Blue Jays about Stroman. The Jays are asking for Kiriloff but haven't said no to what the Twins are asking the Jays to consider which is Duran plus Enlow. At the same time... Twins are also talking with the Mets about Syndergaard. The Mets are asking for Buxton. The Twins are offering Kiriloff and Duran and the Mets like those players but want Graterol added to the deal and The Twins ask if that would get the deal done. The Mets reply with that sounds good but I'm still talking with the Padres so give Buxton some more thought because that will get the deal done. The Padres really want Syndergaard and they think they are offering a fair package, that is similar to what the Twins are offering... let say Renfroe and Gore. The Mets are asking for Tatis and hoping either the Padres or Twins cave. Meanwhile the Blue Jays are sticking with asking for Kiriloff but the Twins can't trade Kiriloff yet because Kiriloff is part of a package that the Mets are considering for Syndergaard and the Twins would rather have Syndergaard so trading for Stroman would kill the Syndergaard deal and they don't really want to give up Kiriloff if they don't have to. The Twins also can't commit to Duran to the Jays since he is part of the Sydergaard deal. So they tell the Blue Jays... do me a favor... give me a call back if you are close to making a deal... maybe we can sweeten this thing and they wait for a call from the Mets. Meanwhile... A scout in the Blue Jays system really likes a couple pitchers in the Mets system and convinces the Jays GM that it would be a good exchange for Stroman. The Jays run their reports and they feel that it's an equal value to the Twins Duran/Enlow offer. The Jays call the Twins again and ask for Kiriloff and the Twins need to hear back from the Mets. So the Blue Jays call the Mets and ask if they would trade Kay and Woods-Richardson for Stroman. The Mets think about it and agree. It was the Blue Jays offer so the agreement is in place. The Mets after receiving Stroman decide that the rotation is looking promising for 2020 and pull Syndergaard off the table. The Twins finally get a chance to talk with the Blue Jays after it's all over and say... I told you I could sweeten the deal if you called back. I'm sure it happened differently but is a scenario like that possible?

Of course, I have no idea what it's like in the room but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to assume fairly safely that it has be somewhat chaotic. I agree with Brock because of free will, takes two to tango. No matter who the Twins are calling, they are most likely holding out for more, while taking phone calls from others and holding out for more while knowing that they have the clock for leverage. The front office obviously had to know that the team needed a boost on the mound. Hopefully they had to know the need was a significant boost. To suggest that they low-balled, actually suggests a certain ineptness or failure to recognize the need they had. There are no signs of them being passive in their small sample size of acquisitions, like Terry Ryan was (in my opinion). So, if they know the need was somewhat acute (they had to... right?) and we can assume that there were probably more buyers than sellers. and in hindsight, like Brock suggests, there were a lot of players simply not traded when a lot of teams were shopping. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume the prices must have been way too high. However, Chief... I'll throw you a bone with a suspicion, that throws a little water on what I just typed. The players they did acquire... Romo and Dyson. Both have personal histories with the decision makers. Romo with Baldelli (Rays) and Dyson with Lavine (Rangers). It probably means nothing but it does a present a whiff of... I don't know... Cautiousness? Diaz and Davis were pretty good hitting prospects that they gave up. It's enough for me to wonder, if they were willing to pay the price with a little familiarity in the product. I hope not.

5. Yoyo Tricks... by Yoyo Ma. 4. Ostrich: bury head in sand. 2. I spy with my little eye. These were my favorites.

The Train that left Chicago travelling at 60 MPH will have someone who snores really loud sitting next to you.

OH YEAH SMART GUY I'll tell you this... Not every game is 9 innings. Sometimes they are 8.5. Sometimes they go into extras. Sometimes the rain stops them at random times. So there. (Thinks a little while) Wait... I said 9 innings... not you.

Always remember... Every game is 9 innings And every season is 162 games. And tomorrow is another day. We got a ways to go.

Dick and his wife have always struggled with depth perception. http://i.imgur.com/11jFN.gif

Fast Forward to Monday Morning when he reports at the Fox Sports North offices and meets with the President of Operations.

I am 53 soon to be 54. Often Times I tell people I'm 80 just so they tell me that I look good. Otherwise I never hear it.

No need You are right... Eddie hasn't been what Eddie could be.

It wasn't intended as a slam on Eddie. He'll be back. It was more of a... I'm pulling for ya Jake Cave statement. Ultimately... I'd like everyone playing so well that Baldelli has to pace around the parking lot, smoking a cigarette, clutching at where his hair would be, just trying to figure out who to play.

We love him... We hate him... We Love Him... We Hate Him... We love him... We hate him.

Quarterbacks taken first overall start with a distinct disadvantage. In order to be taken first overall... your team has to be bad. Not a great way to start a career.

The Colts must feel a little silly in hindsight now. Working so hard to get that first pick back in 2011