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Article: Twins, Rockies Talk Tulowitzki
Brock Beauchamp replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That's exactly why it's the kind of ballsy move I could get behind. It's a feast or famine type of move, which is exactly what I think the Twins need right now to stay in it. And it doesn't sacrifice much of their longterm outlook in the process. -
Article: Twins, Rockies Talk Tulowitzki
Brock Beauchamp replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Well, it's a massive risk. There's a good chance that team finishes under .500 on the season. But it's the kind of "we're banking on our best kids and we're going to sink or swim with them leading the way" move that I can get behind. -
Article: Twins, Rockies Talk Tulowitzki
Brock Beauchamp replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Though an interesting idea is to really roll the dice on the season. Trade Gibson, Polanco, and Kepler or Walker (obviously, Walker is preferred) for Tulowitzki. Do the Rockies listen? Put May back into the rotation and here's where it gets interesting. Move Pelfrey to the bullpen or move him for a middling bullpen arm (that should be a reasonable task). The riskiest part of this deal? Jose Berrios is promoted and inserted into the rotation. The Twins could collapse but the upside is there to be really good. Very risky but that's the type of deal I could get behind. Most of the key components stay in place (minus Gibson) and you roll the dice on Berrios. -
Article: Twins, Rockies Talk Tulowitzki
Brock Beauchamp replied to Jeremy Nygaard's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
BTW, I highly recommend John and Aaron's podcast today. Both are kinda in line with my thinking, though I'd give up Rosario (unlike John) but would keep Gibson (unlike Aaron). Not because I love Gibson so much but because the Twins' chances in 2015 bottom out without Kyle in the rotation. http://twinsdaily.com/topic/19298-article-gleeman-the-geek-episode-205-troy-tulowitzki-mayor-of-speculation-city/ -
I'm not against giving up "maybes". Hell, I'm all for giving up a few maybes if it fixes a position of need. It's going to take a lot more than "maybes" to get Tulo. Pick two of May, Gibson, Sano, Buxton, Berrios. That's what it will probably require.
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I'm not acting as if it's a one year deal, I'm acting as if the likelihood of Tulo being a valuable player decreases with each additional year, which it does. 2015 Tulo, great. 2016 Tulo, probably great. 2017 Tulo? Eh, this is where it starts to get really dicey. The guy spent his age 27-29 seasons missing ~50% of the Rockies' games. How is he going to fare in his age 31-33 seasons?
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It became a rebuild the moment Span and Revere went out the door. I don't see how that's even in question. Whether Ryan ever said the fan-killing word "rebuild" is irrelevant to me. His actions spoke much louder than anything he could have said to the public. It doesn't instill a lot of confidence but that's part of a rebuild. If your prospects don't pan out, you don't win baseball games. It doesn't really matter if the Twins have Tulo or not. If your cost-controlled players aren't playing well, it's a moot point. Barry Bonds didn't win a championship for a reason. One guy can't do it in baseball. One of the AL teams is going to go on a run in the next two months. 500 ball isn't going to get it done for the Twins and I don't see them beating that without a healthy dose of luck (again). What is the best-case scenario of acquiring Tulo? A Wild Card playoff game? The Twins aren't going to pass the Royals. They're an inferior team in too many facets of the game. And I don't think it's a prudent move to give up a significant portion of the farm to play a game that essentially gives a 50/50 chance of reaching a five game series.
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Sano is the DH now. He could be third base next year, which makes Plouffe a valuable trade chit. The Twins will have a better idea of what he'll be in three months (starting some time soon when Plouffe goes on leave). I don't expect them to pick up another starter but Berrios should be with the club next season and Meyer is a wild card. If they acquire Tulo, one of the starters (Gibson, May, Berrios) is almost certainly out the door. The rotation is far from a strength on this team and I don't see how they lose one of those pieces and remain competitive. The Twins have a lot of moving parts right now. Their two best prospects are still question marks. They'll have something resembling an answer to those questions after the season is complete. Their outfield looks decent right now but question marks remain. In two months, they'll have a better idea whether Hicks and Rosario are for real (and hopefully Arcia). Young teams are volatile. It doesn't make a lot of sense to start moving critical pieces when any number of young players could collapse tomorrow. Every single valuable player is under team control for 2016. This shouldn't be a "get it done NOW" situation. Ride the wave, hope things go right, and prepare to adjust this offseason if they don't, comfortable in the knowledge that you'll have more information to make an educated decision at that point (not to mention the market will be more favorable to you over the winter months). If the Twins had 4-5 young players rocking and rolling, one or two team issues, and had played better than .500 ball for the past eight weeks, I'd feel differently about it. You throw caution to the wind at that point and make your push. The Twins aren't in that position. They're a hugely flawed team that is riding one good month but have looked mediocre/bad outside of that one month. That doesn't instill faith in their ability to compete down the stretch. Make a few small moves, try to stay in contention, hope a few players get hot at the right time. If they don't, oh well. Make adjustments this winter and try again.
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To me, the money isn't as important as the pieces the Twins have to give up to acquire Tulo. If the Twins are going to win for a prolonged period of time, it's going to be on the backs of Sano, Buxton, Berrios, Meyer, Kepler, Gibson, May, et al. Several of those pieces are off the table if you acquire Tulo and the Twins have so many flaws they need those players. Even with Tulo, the team still needs a handful of good players to win and they don't have those players. Tulo doesn't fix catcher, DH, the rotation, or the bullpen. The team has too many holes and one player isn't going to solve that problem.
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Exactly. You've essentially removed both options this offseason because you have no prospects left to trade and you've spent all your money.
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There are always players available in the offseason. They won't be as good as Tulo but they'll be available, either in FA or in reasonable trade that doesn't require Ryan to light the farm on fire.
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This argument really needs to be put to bed. Ryan has spent decent money the past two seasons. There's no reason he can't do the same this offseason. With that said, why this would happen in the next week: July, 2015. Terry Ryan: I'd like to give up a few prospects for the honor of paying Troy Tulowitzki $100m over the next half dozen years. Jim Pohlad: AWESOME. LOVE IT! Whoo hoo! *Ryan and Pohlad high-five* But if July passes, this magically happens? November, 2015. Terry Ryan: I'd like to give Player X $60m to shore up our horrible shortstop/catcher/whatever situation. Jim Pohlad: Go **** youself, Terry. *Pohlad punches Ryan in the face* If the Twins have money today - and I'm not saying they do - then they have money in November.
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Well, it depends. If you play the MiLB guys, you get to rotate through 3-4 of them you wouldn't have if you acquired Tulo. You'd also have $20m to go buy a player in November. With Tulo, you have none of that. You have Troy Tulowitzki. All the eggs, one slightly cracked Faberge basket. Tulo has more upside in the short term but I'm not sure short-term upside should matter to the Twins because I don't think they're very good. But any way you shake the tree, Tulo is a riskier proposition.
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Article: Examining The Shortstop Options
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Eduardo Escobar posted a 2.5 WAR in just over 400 PAs last season with the vast majority of his innings coming at short. It's not only possible the Twins would be a few games better than they are now with a different player at short, it'd be hard not to be a few games better. Santana is one of, if not the, worst position player in baseball this season. At that point, it's hard not to improve.- 119 replies
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Article: Examining The Shortstop Options
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Actually, scratch one part of that post. 2013 Aaron Hicks was better than 2015 Danny Santana by pretty much every standard you can grade a player (OPS, defense, WAR, whatever). All of you Santana supporters, let that sink in for a moment.- 119 replies
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I have the same problems with Tulo but I'm not entirely against the deal. The biggest issue I have with it is that I doubt the Twins win in 2015 with or without him. And that means you've burned through one of Troy's remaining productive years. He might have 3-4 more in him. He might have one. He might, god forbid, have none. He's a risky player and it's a risky deal. His injury history scares the hell out of me. I love his bat but have serious doubts it can stay on the field.
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Article: Examining The Shortstop Options
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Whether Santana is the best prospect at short is irrelevant because in the here and now, he's one of the worst position players in baseball. Should Aaron Hicks have spent all of 2013 on the Twins because he was their "best" prospect? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Hicks wasn't learning in 2013. He was getting the **** kicked out of him on a nightly basis. That's not productive for the team and it's not productive for the player. 2015 Danny Santana is 2013 Aaron Hicks. They were/are "learning" at the MLB level the same way I'd "learn" how to box by getting in the ring with Floyd Mayweather.- 119 replies
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Good post. I'd run with Escobar at short first... You can always call up Polanco later. I'd also pick up a bullpen rental to pour some water on that dumpster fire. But, like you, I'd be in no rush to move valuable assets unless the deal just felt perfect. This team isn't good enough for that and one guy isn't going to make them better enough.
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Article: Examining The Shortstop Options
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Well, what's important is the groundball rate (highly repeatable) and the K rate (a new addition but likely repeatable). If those two things are in place, Gibson is an above average pitcher. He's never had a real issue with walks so that's not a concern. Im bullish on the K rate staying high because he has carried it over a dozen starts. Striking out 2-3 more batters per game means he's getting 5-10 more swings and misses per outing. That's up to 10% of his total pitches per start. It's highly unlikely that's luck. Maybe over 2-3 starts but not a dozen. That's the equivalent of getting 100 lucky pitches where the batter simply missed the ball. It doesn't add up.- 119 replies
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Article: Examining The Shortstop Options
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
While you two can go around about Gibson all night, there's one very revealing stat: For the past 80-90 innings, Kyle has approached one strikeout per inning (somewhere around 8 per 9). Strikeouts, unlike ERA or almost any other stat, are generally not prone to wild fluctuation with moderate sample sizes. This turn in Gibson's career arc is likely not anomalous because pitchers rarely get lucky by missing bats en masse. Add in Gibson's continued ground ball dominance and you have a pitcher that looks to sustain some level of above average performance.- 119 replies
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Article: Examining The Shortstop Options
Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
There is one month where every one of Gibson's stats is unlike the other months. That is April. As I pointed out in another thread, it wasn't hard to spot the evolution of Kyle Gibson going back to last year if you were paying attention. In 75-80% of his starts, he was either stellar (4 ER). IIRC, he had about five "mediocre" starts. That's... Strange. When examining a player in his first full season, that's a very promising sign even if the aggregate stats completely miss those nuances by adding stellar and awful to equal mediocre. Which is why you sometimes need to look past the aggregate stats when dealing with young players and why career stats are basically junk.- 119 replies
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Brock Beauchamp replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
1. He's 27. 2. He had 230 MLB IP going into this season. You can't fault a guy for getting TJ surgery and setting back his timeline nearly two full years.- 119 replies
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They need a catcher. They need a shortstop. They need a bullpen. Catcher needs to be found externally. It will be a massive failure of that isn't fixed by February. Shortstop probably needs to be found externally. That's why I'm not 100% against Tulo. The bullpen should have had open auditions two months ago. I think that has a chance to be fixed internally and by picking up a decent vet. The rotation... Well, cross your fingers on Meyer and Berrios. I don't see how else it will get fixed. Having a full season of Santana should help somewhat. He's not amazing but as a third starter, he should be okay.
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If Buxton is hurt again, thems the breaks. Notice one thing about my post: I didn't point out two of the three biggest issues on the 2015 Twins - shortstop and catcher. This team has three major glaring flaws - bullpen, catcher, shortstop. It has question marks in centerfield, the rotation (as far as the playoffs are concerned), and I'm putting the bullpen here again because it's that bad. Where the team is set with a player, they offer middling production from most of the field: first base, left field, center field, right field, DH. This isn't a team poised to get hot and thrive in a playoff environment. It's a team poised to scuffle along and barely miss or make the playoffs. If Ryan were to somehow transform this team into a solid contender, he'd have to trade half the farm and swing 4-5 deals just to get the Twins to the level of the Angels or Royals. This isn't the 2010 Twins that were an incredibly solid team from front to back. It's not a surprising but sustainable team like the 2002 team. Hell, it's not even the rounded but flawed 2006 squad. The 2015 Twins are closer to the 2001 Twins than any other team in recent memory and that's not a team you bank on down the stretch. You shore up minor issues without giving up much, hope a few things break right, and don't get too upset if they don't.
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For me, it'd require a few things: - Buxton, Sano are healthy and contributing - Berrios or another pitcher looked like a decent or good playoff starter - The bullpen wasn't laughably bad The third issue is somewhat fixable (but not entirely, the issue is too widespread), the second issue isn't, and the first is entirely up in the air. I keep saying it but I'll say it one more time: this team is simply not that good. They banked +11 wins largely through luck and have spent the past eight weeks scratching to play just .500 ball (and they've missed the mark by 3-4 games). I don't expect the Twins to be a .500 team after the break. They'll probably be close but four months of .500 ball does not a world champion make.
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