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    Where Are The Prospects?


    Seth Stohs

    With the Twins slow, 8-23 start to the season, I have been asked the following question several times. Where are all of these great prospects that have been touted for so long? If the Twins have one of the best farm systems in baseball, why or when are we going to start seeing them.

    There are multiple answers to those questions, so we’ll try to consider it today.

    When Terry Ryan came back to the GM job, he made the comment that he was not going to take shortcuts. I think we can all agree that he hasn’t. It’s been a slow progression forward. But the system has dozens of players who are 26 and under who will be part of the organization.We have seen some, but there are many more to come.

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    Before the 2014 season, the Twins generally had what was considered the top system in baseball. They were led by two consensus Top 10 prospects in all of baseball. Byron Buxton (19 at the time) had completed his first full season in professional baseball and had been named Baseball America’s 2013 minor league player of the year. He was the #1 prospect in all of baseball. He had hit a combined .334/.424/.520 (.944) with 19 doubles, 18 triples and 12 home runs.

    Baseball America ranked then-20-year-old Miguel Sano number six overall. He was coming off of a season in which he hit a combined .280/.382/.610 (.992) with 30 doubles, five triples and 35 home runs between Ft. Myers and New Britain.

    Then came the 2014 season. Miguel Sano missed the full season after having Tommy John surgery in the spring. Buxton was limited to just 31 games due to multiple injuries. It was essentially a lost season for both of them.

    However, they both returned in 2015, starting the season in Chattanooga. Despite the lost development time Buxton was up with the Twins in June, and Sano was called up on July 1st. Buxton lost more time with injury and as the Twins acknowledged, he wasn’t ready and he struggled at the plate. Sano came to the team and was remarkable, finishing third in the AL Rookie of the Year vote despite playing just three months in the big leagues.

    The Twins went into this season and handed Buxton the starting center field job despite him still not really being ready. Predictably, he struggled again, striking out in about half of his plate appearances. After 15 games, he was sent back down to Rochester, where he is now hitting .276/.344/.534 (.878) with four doubles, a triple and three home runs. He has three walks and seven strikeouts in 38 plate appearances.

    Sano is a regular in the middle of the Minnesota Twins lineup. After posting a .916 OPS in 2016, his OPS is just 706 through the first 31 games this year. A sophomore slump? Maybe, though the season is just under 20% complete, so there is plenty of room for a resurgence.

    The Twins status as the top minor league system was largely based on the top two prospects, and despite their 2016 struggles, both remain two of the most exciting players in baseball’s future. Buxton needs to cut down on the strikeouts, but with his speed and defense, he can be a valuable player with just minimal offensive improvement. But there is no reason to think that the 22-year-old can’t make the needed adjustments. What he needs is more time in AAA. With 14 games played with the Red Wings this year, he now has just 26 total games played at AAA. Patience is important. And Sano is still just 23, learning the game, learning a new position, learning pitchers, and (hopefully) learning how to take care of himself physically. Many may choose to give up on these prospects. I still think they both have multiple All-Star games in their future.

    However, the Twins system was not solely based on two players. Here is a quick look at the rest of my personal 2014 Twins prospect rankings (with their 2013 team).

    #3 - RHP Alex Meyer - New Britain

    #4 - RHP Kohl Stewart - GCL/Elizabethton

    #5 - 2B Eddie Rosario - Ft. Myers/New Britain

    #6 - IF Jorge Polanco - Cedar Rapids

    #7 - RHP Jose Berrios - Cedar Rapids

    #8 - C Josmil Pinto - New Britain/Rochester/Minnesota

    #9 - OF/1B Max Kepler - Cedar Rapids

    #10 - Lewis Thorpe - GCL Twins

    A quick glance of this list shows the volatility of prospect rankings, and yet this also shows why many still are excited about the Twins system. Look at how many of the top prospects then are top prospects now despite moving up 2 or 3 levels. Notice also how many of them were in Low-A Cedar Rapids just over two yeas ago.

    Let’s start with Josmil Pinto. The Twins DFAd him a year ago, and after a couple of other DFAs, he is now with the Brewers AAA team. He had a strong showing that 2013 season in September but wasn’t able to stay healthy after that.

    Alex Meyer was ranked #62 overall by Baseball America, but he was Top 30 in both MLB.com and Baseball Prospectus rankings. He went to Rochester in 2014 and was one of the league’s top starting pitchers. Then came 2015, a miserable year for Meyer. However, he is off to a strong start in 2016 and we can still be hopeful that the 26-year-old can rebound, maybe even as a starter.

    Kohl Stewart had just been drafted and there was a lot of excitement. While his 2015 season left some question marks among prospect rankers, his 2016 season has improved his prospect status. Similarly, Lewis Thorpe was just coming off of a remarkable US debut season in the Gulf Coast League. Despite 2015 Tommy John surgery, his prospect status remains high.

    Eddie Rosario was coming off of a terrific season which shadowed Sano’s. He was still playing second base, but it would be his last year there since Brian Dozier became a mainstay with the Twins.. While Sano and Buxton missed time in 2014 due to injury, Rosario missed 50 games to start 2014 due to a suspension. When he returned, he struggled at AA. However, in 2015, he came up to the Twins and had an impressive showing. He hit .267 with 18 doubles, 15 triples, 13 home runs, and 16 outfield assists. He’s off to a horrible start in 2016 which isn’t completely surprising with his complete inability to control the strike zone or willingness to not swing from time to time. He’s still only 24.

    Jose Berrios, Jorge Polanco and Max Kepler all played the 2013 season in Cedar Rapids. Polanco had his first cup of coffee with the Twins in 2014 and has had about seven such calls since then. Kepler was the MVP of the AA Southern League in 2015 and debuted with the Twins last September. He’s already spent time with the Twins this year. And, Jose Berrios has taken off as a prospect. He has been the Twins minor league pitcher of the year the last two years and now has two big league starts under his belt. All three of these guys remain Top 10 Twins prospects, Top 100 overall prospects, and guys who should be a big part of the Twins future.

    Prospects 11-20 (from my Top Prospect rankings)

    #11 - OF Adam Brett Walker - Cedar Rapids

    #12 - RHP Trevor May - New Britain/Rochester

    #13 - LHP Stephen Gonsalves - GCL/Elizabethton

    #14 - 3B Travis Harrison - Cedar Rapids

    #15 - SS Danny Santana - New Britain

    #16 - OF Amaurys Minier - GCL

    #17 - DH/1B Kennys Vargas - Ft. Myers

    #18 - RHP Ryan Eades - Elizabethton

    #19 - RHP Felix Jorge - Elizabethton

    #20 - SS Niko Goodrum - Cedar Rapids

    Again, this list includes some intriguing names. Adam Brett Walker is on the 40-man roster and playing in Rochester.

    Trevor May is in his second season with the Twins and their top reliever. Could he still start? Maybe, but if not, he can also be a dominant bullpen option for years to come.

    Like Kohl Stewart, Gonsalves was just drafted and had an impressive pro debut in the rookie leagues. While Stewart was pushed quickly, Gonsalves was about a half-season behind. Now, they’re both at Ft. Myers, pitching well, and both could move up to Chattanooga at any time. Felix Jorge is also with the Miracle and pitching very well.

    Danny Santana came up to the Twins and received votes in Rookie of the Year balloting. 2015 was very frustrating. Santana is likely somewhere in between. Right now, he is the team’s starting center fielder. One of the best athletes, he can play six positions and can provide value in that utility type of role.

    Like Santana, Vargas came up in August of 2014 and hit nine home runs the rest of the season. The Twins gave him plenty of chances in 2015 but he was unable to get that type of production back. He went down to the minor leagues a couple of times and returned in September. He is currently hitting .217/.315/.308 (.625) with four doubles and two home runs in Rochester. That said, at 25, he still has potential to be a viable bench option and provide some punch off the bat.

    Ryan Eades was also just drafted and threw a few innings in Elizabethton. He has certainly had his struggles, but a solid 2015 in Ft. Myers earned him a promotion to AA where he has had mixed results. But as Mike Berardino reported during spring training, he touched 97 a few times and does have a solid four-pitch mix, so he’s got a chance to be a back-of-the-rotation starter.

    Goodrum is out right now with a stress reaction in his foot and will likely be out another month or so.

    BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE

    That was a look at my Top 20 Twins prospects just over two years ago, and we’ve already seen some of these terrific prospects surface in the big leagues. However, in the last couple of drafts, the Twins have added even more talent. They have drafted Nick Gordon and Tyler Jay in the last two first rounds. Both have high ceilings.

    They also added some flame-throwing relievers such as JT Chargois, Nick Burdi and Jake Reed who have already been in big league spring training. Mason Melotakis, Luke Bard, Michael Cederoth, Trevor Hildenberger, Brandon Peterson, Corey Williams and others could surface in the next couple of years too.

    In addition to Murphy, Stuart Turner and Mitch Garver are in AA. Like Lewis Thorpe, Fernando Romero had Tommy John surgery and will be back soon.

    VETERANS

    While we are talking about the youth and the struggles of the youth, it is important to notice that the Twins roster includes many veterans (many of whom are struggling). Brian Dozier. Trevor Plouffe. Joe Mauer. Eduardo Nunez. Kurt Suzuki. Phil Hughes. Ervin Santana. Kyle Gibson. Ricky Nolasco. Kevin Jepsen. Glen Perkins. And Casey Fien and Tommy Milone have already been DFAd.

    For the Twins to win in 2016, they needed two things. First, they needed some of the young players to take a step forward. However, they also needed strong performances from veterans. To this point in the season, Joe Mauer and Eduardo Nunez have been the two players who have performed well throughout the season.

    The Twins need more from the rookies, but they also need more from the guys with Major League track records.

    SUMMARY

    Several years ago, I recall talking to Kyle Gibson. He was in A ball and I asked him what it meant to him to be considered the team’s top prospect. He basically said that it was a nice honor, but “being a prospect means you haven’t done anything yet.”

    Major League Baseball is hard, and each level of the minor leagues gets gradually more difficult. Two years ago, the Twins had a lot of young prospects, but prospects that had a long way to go in terms of steps up and development.

    That's why I've also often written that the reason it is so important to have as many prospects as possible. If you have 20 very good prospects, it likely means that one of them will become a perennial all-star, maybe two will become solid regulars, a handful will play a role on the big league team and several might get a cup of coffee.

    So far, we have seen Danny Santana, Kennys Vargas, Miguel Sano, Byron Buxton, Michael Tonkin, Alex Meyer, Jorge Polanco and Jose Berrios in the big leagues. Some more than others. Also consider that Oswaldo Arcia just turned 25 yesterday. John Ryan Murphy is still just 24 years old.

    They have come to the big leagues with mixed results.There have been guys who have struggled initially. There have been several who came up quickly and then struggled in year 2 when the league adjusted. At this point the players will need to make the adjustment back. Baseball, like life, is all about adjustments, and hopefully these young players will be able to do just that.

    If there is a hope for the 2016 season, it is two-fold.

    First, the veterans will need to step up and perform to their proven capabilities. Second, there is hope that as the season moves on, the prospects and young players can make some adjustments. That’s not to say that the Twins will jump back into playoff contention - so much would need to go perfectly for that to happen - but as a fan, we should want to see that happen to give us hope for 2017 and beyond.

    So when someone asks, where are all the prospects, the overwhelming answer should be, "They're almost all still there."


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    I thought the slider was supposed to be his dominant pitch that was raved about before the draft and early on? Did the Twins screw him up somehow?

     

    He threw all of 40 innings and faced all of 153 batters his senior year of HS. If we assume he averaged about four pitches per batter faced, and if we assume he threw his slider 25% of the time, which he probably didn't because 95% of HS kids will get themselves out on a simple 94 MPH heater, that would mean he threw only about 150 sliders.

     

    Sure, the Twins could have messed something up, but I'd say it's much more likely that the scouting reports didn't have enough to make a solid assessment.

     

    He threw all of 40 innings and faced all of 153 batters his senior year of HS. If we assume he averaged about four pitches per batter faced, and if we assume he threw his slider 25% of the time, which he probably didn't because 95% of HS kids will get themselves out on a simple 94 MPH heater, that would mean he threw only about 150 sliders.

     

    Sure, the Twins could have messed something up, but I'd say it's much more likely that the scouting reports didn't have enough to make a solid assessment.

    Stewart participated in 8 "Perfect Game" events too, which are basically elite national amateur baseball scouting combines.  The Twins weren't limited to seeing him pitch in high school game action.

     

    He threw all of 40 innings and faced all of 153 batters his senior year of HS. If we assume he averaged about four pitches per batter faced, and if we assume he threw his slider 25% of the time, which he probably didn't because 95% of HS kids will get themselves out on a simple 94 MPH heater, that would mean he threw only about 150 sliders.

     

    Sure, the Twins could have messed something up, but I'd say it's much more likely that the scouting reports didn't have enough to make a solid assessment.

     

    Keith Law called his slider "Plus" in his February prospect article.  I'm not sure where that poster got that information, but maybe he just had a bad night with the slider or its an innacurate report... little more likely than all these scouting reports saying his slider was his best pitch were wrong?

     

    Most of this (maybe all of this) is on Meyer.  He has two great pitches, if he could consistently throw strikes with both pitches he would be a starter.  If he can only throw his fastball for a strike, he might not even make it as a reliever.  Compare Meyer to Berrios.  Meyer, when he is on, has better stuff than Berrios.  What Berrios has though is the ability to consistently throw 3 pitches for strike.  Because of his control, Berrios will be a much better pitcher.  (A comparison between Duffy and Meyer might be better because both essentially have only 2 pitches)

    Its not on Meyer. If we take what you said as truth (I am willing to) then he's a reliever and should have been strictly a reliever for some time. Success with only 2 pitches as a starter is difficult. When he only has control of one then that idea is out the door. Move him to the bullpen and see if he can figure it out. Just have a plan and stick to it.

     

    Its the organization's job to develop players. Part of that is putting people in a position to succeed. The Twins can't even figure out what positions their top prospects play and their field staff doesn't seem to be on the same page either. Its a complete mess.  

     

     


     

    Its the organization's job to develop players. Part of that is putting people in a position to succeed. The Twins can't even figure out what positions their top prospects play and their field staff doesn't seem to be on the same page either. Its a complete mess.  

     

    Amen. Seems we see a lot of, okay, let's try this guy out here. Is there no long range planning? If Plouffe is your once and future third baseman, then start playing Sano elsewhere earlier. Is Kepler an outfielder for the corners. Is he heir to Joe Mauer at first base? Minors is where you sort this out. Move Danny Santana back to infield reserve, then better get him time playing there -- in the minors. Yes, it is nice if ALL players can play ANYWHERE. Dream on. If you got a dynamite prospect, then you move aside the aging vet who is playing predictable ball for that prospect, or you flip that prospect for somtehing you really need. Period.

     

    I think Berrios will pan out just fine for the Twins. He has done well in spots, but has yet to get it all together. Berrios is only 21, and only has 3 starts in the bigs. He doesn't seem to have the timidness of other past prospects (Kyle Gibson, Liam Hendricks, ect), and has the pitch selection of a high end prospect.

     

    Next in line after Berrios it will be interesting to see how Kohl Stewart, Stephen Gonsalves, Tyler Jay, and Lewis Thorpe fare as they get closer to their MLB call-up.

     

    I think Berrios will pan out just fine for the Twins. He has done well in spots, but has yet to get it all together. Berrios is only 21, and only has 3 starts in the bigs. He doesn't seem to have the timidness of other past prospects (Kyle Gibson, Liam Hendricks, ect), and has the pitch selection of a high end prospect.

    Next in line after Berrios it will be interesting to see how Kohl Stewart, Stephen Gonsalves, Tyler Jay, and Lewis Thorpe fare as they get closer to their MLB call-up.

    I agree - he seems to be trusting his stuff and going after hitters. That's the way to start your career. He can make adjustemnts as he learns, but I like his mound presence. Umps haven't been really helping him out much yet either.

    I agree - he seems to be trusting his stuff and going after hitters. That's the way to start your career. He can make adjustemnts as he learns, but I like his mound presence. Umps haven't been really helping him out much yet either.

    Plus for a 21 year old in his 1st time in the bigs he doesn't have the "deer in the headlights" look either in post game interviews or during the game. Once he adjusts better to MLB hitters he will be good. Plus it is well documented since his earliest days in the minors that he is a workaholic and works so hard to perfect his craft, even his big league teammates see that work ethic. Talent gets you so far, hard work seals the deal.

     

    No, a thousand times no. This is how management escapes accountability. A guy has a drug problem or a bad attitude about teamwork or practice? That's on him. A talented player can't harness his skills or develop a needed skill? That's coaching. Further, look at write-ups on Meyer for the 2011 draft. It talks about his lack of control. Therefore, the person trading a MLB centerfielder for him shares fault for not knowing how to make him succeed. And that's more than "We thought we could." Some teams have demonstrated the ability to fix flaws and develop pitchers, which means they are likely better at figuring out and implementing plans to address weaknesses.

     

    I think you need to rethink your expectations.  If this was true, every coaching staff in the league would be unemployed.  Talented prospects fail on every team.

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    I think you need to rethink your expectations. If this was true, every coaching staff in the league would be unemployed. Talented prospects fail on every team.

    It's not all or nothing. Seattle - most top prospects have failed. St. Louis - most top prospects and many lower prospects succeed. Twins results are closer to Seattle's.

     

    Further, the issue isn't whether prospects fail; the issue is what is th consistent theme and explanation for why they fail. Good organizations learn from why new talent fails and adjusts its development program to lessen the chances of future failures. Bad organizations blame the young talent and take no responsibility. There's a long history with the Twins of publicly knocking their young players, which some fans have learned to imitate, which I believe has a direct relationship with (A) losing and (B) failing to develop a good number of what we are constantly told is one of the best minor league talent pools.

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