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    How Does ZiPS View the Twins’ Long-Term Value in the José Berríos Trade?


    Cody Christie

    The Twins began seeing some value on their side of the José Berríos trade during the 2024 season. But what does ZiPS project for Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson in the coming years?

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    The Minnesota Twins made a bold move at the 2021 trade deadline, sending homegrown ace José Berríos to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for top prospects Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson. Over three years later, the trade remains pivotal in both franchises' trajectories. With another season in the books, let's evaluate the trade's current and future impact, focusing on the contributions of Martin and Woods Richardson in 2024 and the broader context of Berríos's value to Toronto.

    The Berríos Side of the Trade 
    Berríos was an anchor in the Twins' rotation, making two All-Star appearances and consistently providing innings and durability. After the trade, Toronto locked him up with a seven-year, $131-million extension. Following the trade deadline in 2021, he was outstanding, providing Toronto with a 3.58 ERA and a 1.10 WHIP in 70 1/3 innings. He compiled 1.7 fWAR in two months' worth of starts, which was one of the better stretches of his career. 

    Berríos struggled in 2022 during his first full season in Toronto, as something was off for a pitcher who had been one of the AL’s most consistent starters. In 172 innings, he combined for a 5.23 ERA with a 1.42 WHIP and -0.3 fWAR. He led all AL pitchers in hits allowed and total earned runs. The end of 2021 and the entire 2022 season were the years of team control Minnesota was trading away with Berríos, so he combined for 1.4 fWAR before he'd have otherwise become a free agent. 

    Trading Berríos was a tough but necessary decision from the Twins' perspective. He wanted to be paid like a front-line starter, but that wouldn’t happen with the Twins. With the team out of contention in 2021, flipping him for controllable young talent fitted their long-term goals. However, the deal’s ultimate success hinges on the development and contributions of Martin and Woods Richardson.

    Austin Martin’s 2024 Contributions and Future Outlook
    Martin’s journey since the trade has been anything but linear. Once viewed as a high-floor, contact-oriented hitter with defensive versatility, he's been slowed by injuries and swing mechanics issues. Last season, Martin began impacting the big-league roster, despite some growing pains. In 93 games, he hit .253/.318/.352 with 20 extra-base hits and seven stolen bases.

    Looking ahead, Martin’s ability to carve out a consistent role will be critical. The Twins value his versatility, and with further development, he could be a key piece as a utility player in their lineup for years. His chase rate, launch-angle sweet-spot rate, and Squared Up% were in the 85th percentile or higher, even though he didn’t qualify for the leaderboard. Questions remain about his ability to add power and sustain his offensive production, but his 2024 season showed he can make solid contact and get on base regularly.

    FanGraphs’s Dan Szymborski used ZiPS to project Martin’s performance during his remaining years of team control. Martin is seen as a slightly below-average hitter with an OPS+ in the low 90s, while providing minimal WAR per season. If ZiPS holds true, Martin would combine for 3.3 fWAR (plus -0.2 fWAR from 2024, for a total of 3.1 fWAR). He would likely become modestly expensive late in his arc of team control; the Twins may non-tender him if his offensive performance doesn’t improve.   

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    Simeon Woods Richardson’s Contributions and Future Value
    Woods Richardson also took significant strides in 2024 as he arguably saved the Twins’ starting rotation in the first half. In 16 first-half starts, he posted a 3.51 ERA, with a 1.15 WHIP and 2.96 strikeout-to-walk ratio. His second half saw a dip in his performance, though, as he ended the year with a 4.17 ERA and 1.29 WHIP over 133 2/3 innings, showcasing a refined slider that generated a 24% whiff rate. His ability to adjust to the big-league level made him a valuable asset in a pitching staff with multiple injuries.

    The Twins envision Woods Richardson as a back-end starter, but he showed flashes of his potential upside. His fastball velocity ticked up last season, from sitting in the low 90s during his early career to over 93 mph last season. His uptick in velocity helped him rely less on his four-seamer, because his other pitches also had more velocity. His contributions in 2024 demonstrated why the Twins were willing to gamble on his upside.

    Long-term, ZiPS views Woods Richardson as a league-average starter with over 120 innings pitched per season. That player type is valuable in a back-of-the-rotation role. SWR is projected to 9.4 fWAR from 2025-2030, to go with the 1.8 fWAR from 2024 to reach 11.2 fWAR. He was seen as the lesser prospect at the time of the trade, but he has developed to the point where he might produce the most long-term value. 

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    Trade Verdict and Long-Term Impact
    Evaluating the trade nearly three years later, both teams have reasons to be satisfied. Toronto received a reliable starter in Berríos, whose extension ensured the trade wasn’t a short-term rental. Meanwhile, the Twins bolstered their system with two promising players who contributed at the MLB level in 2024.

    The trade's ultimate verdict will depend on Martin and Woods Richardson’s continued development. If Martin can become a versatile utility player and Woods Richardson solidifies himself as a rotation fixture, the Twins could declare the deal a win. Conversely, if their growth stalls, the Blue Jays' decision to bet on Berríos’s stability might look wiser in hindsight.

    As it stands, the trade underscores the high-risk, high-reward nature of deadline deals. For the Twins, the hope is that Martin and Woods Richardson represent key contributors to their next competitive window. For now, 2024 offered a glimpse of what could be a bright future and a reminder of why trading an established starter like Berríos can be worth the gamble.


    How should the Twins view the Berríos trade? Can either club be declared the winner of the trade? Leave a comment and start the discussion.

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    Well Berrios wasn't going to be here. The Twins weren't going to give him $130mil. So far they've only given Correa that much.  Berrios probably wasn't going to be as bad here his last year as he was in Toronto that his first full year. To me The Twins came out way ahead, as they have 2 players now to give them multiple years of play. In SWR first full year here he was much better than Berrios was in what would have been his last year here.

    We don't know how good or bad SWR and Martin will be, but we do know Berrios wasn't going to be here. He said as much.

    On 1/8/2025 at 2:34 PM, chpettit19 said:

    In their heart of hearts, I'm pretty sure they're disappointed in the return for Berrios.

    Martin looks eminently replaceable and SWR looks like a back of the rotation starter that you hope to be passed up by another arm with higher upside. It's not a horrible return or complete bust, but I'm pretty positive this is not what they were expecting/hoping for when they hung up the phone after agreeing to that deal. It's nowhere near a disaster of a deal, but it's certainly not a win. They gave themselves two solid swings at a really nice return with two publicly respected prospects. Both pretty quickly lost luster and neither appears likely to hit anywhere near their ceiling. It happens. But if they can both contribute, even on the margins, it's certainly better than coming away with nothing.

    Top prospects become competent major leaguers at something like 25-50%.
    https://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects

    SWR was 86th in 2021, I wasn’t able to find Austin Martin in the top 100. SWR had a 17% chance of being “successful” not even “excellent”.

    Realistically they weren’t going to trade 1.5 years of Berrios for guaranteed 6 years of Berrios. It’s a chance at 6 years of Berrios.

    34 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

    Top prospects become competent major leaguers at something like 25-50%.
    https://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects

    SWR was 86th in 2021, I wasn’t able to find Austin Martin in the top 100. SWR had a 17% chance of being “successful” not even “excellent”.

    Realistically they weren’t going to trade 1.5 years of Berrios for guaranteed 6 years of Berrios. It’s a chance at 6 years of Berrios.

    Austin Martin was #19 on Baseball America's list in 2021 and #22 on both MLB and Baseball Prospect's lists that year. According to his baseball reference page, at least. And MLB.com. I don't have memberships to the other 2 so I'll have to trust b-ref is correct about those 2 as well. The Twins got 2 top 100 prospects for Berrios. Including 1 top 25 prospect.

    11 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    Austin Martin was #19 on Baseball America's list in 2021 and #22 on both MLB and Baseball Prospect's lists that year. According to his baseball reference page, at least. And MLB.com. I don't have memberships to the other 2 so I'll have to trust b-ref is correct about those 2 as well. The Twins got 2 top 100 prospects for Berrios. Including 1 top 25 prospect.

    Lottery tickets are independent outcomes. 2 top 100 prospects are more valuable as currency, but they are still independent in their odds of success.

    the ROI we should be measuring is not Jose Berrios, that trade was player for prospects. is 2 top 100 prospects commensurate? Seems so as you hold the outcomes of what happened after the trade in somewhat low regard.
     

    Rather, the ROI should be measured on the minor league coaching and training apparatus. Does the coaching machine work better than its peers? Are there subsets more efficient at producing higher quality outcomes than others?

    10 minutes ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

    Lottery tickets are independent outcomes. 2 top 100 prospects are more valuable as currency, but they are still independent in their odds of success.

    the ROI we should be measuring is not Jose Berrios, that trade was player for prospects. is 2 top 100 prospects commensurate? Seems so as you hold the outcomes of what happened after the trade in somewhat low regard.
     

    Rather, the ROI should be measured on the minor league coaching and training apparatus. Does the coaching machine work better than its peers? Are there subsets more efficient at producing higher quality outcomes than others?

    I was just giving the extra info on Martin. 

    I think it's a relatively average outcome for prospects. But I don't think it's what the Twins were hoping for. I don't find that to be an overly controversial statement.

    Martin had just been the #5 pick in the draft and was a top 25 prospect in baseball already in AA. I think it's reasonable they believed he'd be a top of the order bat or middle of the diamond everyday player. That doesn't seem to be a likely outcome at this point.

    SWR was a 20 yr old already in AA. Reasonable to believe he had higher upside than back end of rotation starter, but that's what he's looking like. At least to me. Others may feel differently. 

    Getting 2 mlb players for 1.5 years of Berrios isn't a disaster by any means, but it wasn't the hope or goal with these two players. 

    Big picture we should absolutely care far more about the overall rate of prospect development success than just these 2 guys from this 1 trade, of course. But this article is about this 1 trade so we were just talking about these 2 guys. Even when it comes to trades we should care more about the success rate of all trades combined and not focus on just one trade. But in order to determine overall success rates you need to look at individual situations first. And that's what we're doing here. I wouldn’t call this a success or failure. It'd get a C grade from me. They added years of control but lost the high end talent level. 

    I like projection systems as a quick and dirty way of thinking about many things.  But such systems necessarily operate on a conservative basis - "if present trends continue, things will remain about the same."

    It's just too early to try to say anything definitive about a trade of a guy who will be 31 this coming season versus two guys who will be 26 and 24.  I've been down on Martin since the trade was made, but I still hold out hope that he finds one or two tweaks to his game that let him be productive - a little more comfort at the plate and he's suddenly a valuable leadoff hitter for a few years.  SWR was always the key to the trade for me, and if 2024 was a kid-gloves approach to him by the manager and pitching coach, maybe 2025 is the year the constraints come off (maybe with the aid of some additional off-season conditioning?).

    Martin and SWR could of course turn out to be the latest incarnations of Nick Gordon and Fernando Romero respectively.

    Not ready to make any real judgements.

    On 1/10/2025 at 7:11 AM, Riverbrian said:

    Remember when the Jays had that catching surplus. Jansen, Kirk and Moreno.

    I'd rather the Twins develop and promote catching. Failing to do that. Moreno would have been a nice pick up. Expensive but a nice pick up. 

    7.6 WAR 2022-2024.  Jeffers & Vasquez: 1.9 combined.

    3 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

    better than Jeffers & Vasquez

    It was a weak attempt at a joke. Playing on WAR with... you know actual war between the countries of Moreno and Jefquez. 

    I'll try again with something else down the road. Can't guarantee it will be better. 




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