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    Is Bailey Ober Sustainable?


    Ted Wiedmann

    Bailey Ober’s tenure in the starting staff has been successful so far, but there are warning signs.

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    Bailey Ober has experienced moderate success with 2.7 fWAR in almost 160 Major League innings, and he’s looked excellent to start this season. In addition, quality starting pitching is held at a premium, and having depth in that category presents a massive advantage over the rest of the league. 

    So it may seem disingenuous to suggest a starter with a career 3.66 ERA in roughly an entire season’s worth of work to move to the bullpen, especially for a team stretching its starting pitcher depth. However, there are warning signs that Ober’s success may not be sustainable to the level at which he’s performed.

    Health is the most apparent and straightforward reason to explain this transition. Ober has suffered extended missed time in multiple seasons with multiple lower body injuries that include mostly hip problems; this doesn’t bode well in the future for a six-foot nine-inch 270-pound body entering his late 20s. 

    Bailey Ober has pitched professionally since 2017 and has only once eclipsed the 100-inning mark in a season. Hopefully, this season he can find that number again. However, as far as the data says, Ober is too unreliable to pencil in a starting pitcher’s workload, even with that standard diminishing. 

    Another factor likely affected by his health track record but also has some to do with his stuff is Ober’s inability to pitch deep into games. Ober has recorded over 18 outs only once in 33 starts during his Big League career. One part of this is the Twins likely trying to lessen his workload. In his rookie season in 2021, they ensured he was adequately built up after not pitching a minor league season in 2020 that contributed to short starts.

    I believe his starts are also cut short because of his splits the first and second time through the order and his splits versus lefties and righties. 

    Here are comparative numbers first time through vs. second time through (per Fangraphs): 

    ERA: 2.42 vs. 4.96
    FIP: 3.56 vs. 4.27
    Slash: .217/.267/.388 vs .274/.318/.479
    wOBA: .283 vs .340
    K-BB%: 22.6% vs 16.6%
    Hard contact%: 30.1% vs. 37.2%

    He’s only faced 76 total batters the third time through, albeit with relative success, but the sample is small enough that I’m not sure it’s worth much consideration. With the dropoff in results from the first to the second time in the order, there is no reason to trust Ober to be successful a third time, which will limit his ability to work deep into games. 

    As stated before, Ober also suffers from extreme platoon splits. Here are his comparative numbers against left-handed vs. right-handed hitters:

    (R vs. L)
    Slash: .217/.237/.411 vs .274/.341/.441
    K-BB%: 24.9% vs 11.7%
    WHIP: 0.89 vs. 1.48
    FIP: 3.52 vs. 4.33
    wOBA: .273 vs .339

    While you may or may not agree with the stance of protecting pitchers who face a lineup multiple times, there is no denying Ober dominates right-handed hitters and struggles against left-handed ones. Being susceptible to platoon matchups, Ober would likely struggle against heavy left-handed or switch-hitting teams (like the Guardians) and would force a manager’s hand to play matchups in a high-leverage situation during the middle innings. 

    Which isn’t to say Ober can’t be a mid-rotation caliber starter. Still, he will need to take steps forward (perhaps with his change-up) to increase his effectiveness against left-handed hitters to reach that ceiling, luckily a correctable problem. The topic of a bullpen move is premature, as this is likely a 2024 or 2025 subject and requires some other arms in the organization to reach their potential.

    I could also see the Twins having Ober be in the rotation for most of the regular season and transitioning to the bullpen for the postseason, a lot like Kenta Maeda did for the Dodgers for many years. Given his success in the early innings and his domination of right-handed hitters, I believe Ober would be a capable, high-leverage reliever. 

    With a move to the bullpen, you can limit Ober’s workload even further, as health is by far the most impactful reason for this, and possibly get more production from him in the long run. You can also control his matchups, take advantage of his strengths, and mask his weaknesses. 

    I think, if nothing else, these holes in Ober’s game are worth pointing out to level expectations and seeing that a Brad Peacock -type career of a hybrid starting/relief role could be in the balance if adjustments are not made. Ultimately the goal for the Twins should be to reach the level the Astros or Dodgers were at when they could afford to have pitchers like Peacock and Maeda in the bullpen.

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    Sustainable??? Bullpen??? Moderate success???

    Why does Ober get so much disrespect. He was our best pitcher in pre season if I'm remembering correctly. Yes, he got hurt last year but so did Mahle and Maeda. 

    Maeda should be the one we are discussing going to the pen.

    He’s been a good pitcher for a long time.  He just struggles to stay healthy.  I think that’s where the sustainability question comes in.

    I was a huge proponent of piggy backing him with someone else when the consensus was “there’s no room” (which was always absurd).  Similar to the opener concept.  Let him go 4-5 innings in tandem with someone else.  Use him as a long reliever, but not a throwaway type role.  Put him into a 5-4 ball game in the fifth inning and let him bridge to Duran in the 9th.  Get creative.

    The dumbest thing you can do is waste his limited innings in AAA.  That was idiotic from the beginning.  Never should’ve happened, especially when it’s for a guy like Maeda who hasn’t been healthy or good in 3 years.  Awful use of resources.

    He’s a heck of a lot more sustainable than Varland, SWR, Maeda, even Mahle at this point….anything outside of Gray, Lopez, and Ryan

    2 hours ago, hitterscount said:

    He should have been in the rotation out of spring training, where he outpitched Maeda. 

    18 IP, 16 K, 6W, 0.98 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, yeah he should stay... not that these stats are maintainable, but he has looked every bit the part when in the starting rotation the past two plus seasons. If he is going to get injured, it might as well be here.  

    Exactly, can’t waste limited healthy innings at AAA. Should have been up since March 30. Maybe Maeda isn’t struggling as much with his health if we start with Ober? Anyway, we need him now & so far not only capable but dominant!……..if we can get 10 more good starts from him and we get a couple poor ones that’s great. That gets us to July & hopefully a choice between Mahle - Paddack - or somebody else from the farm……if Ober runs out of gas or good health. I hope he sticks!

    Several tall pitchers have had very good records. Last night was a really well pitched game. He pitched 7 full innings and had 91 pitches with only 3 hits given up. It was one of the better pitched games this year and he was much better than the 2 pitchers we put on the IR list. Those 2 pitchers have not helped the Twins this year and I would be surprised if they come back as winning pitchers.

    The only way to build a winning team is with young talent and it appears the Twins have some young players that will help them win either this year or next year. I was against signing Correa to a big long term contract since we have young players that may not be able to play since we have to play Correa due to his big contract. We now have a $200 million player batting .200 in the number 3 spot in lineup.

    15 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

    Exactly, can’t waste limited healthy innings at AAA. Should have been up since March 30. Maybe Maeda isn’t struggling as much with his health if we start with Ober? Anyway, we need him now & so far not only capable but dominant!……..if we can get 10 more good starts from him and we get a couple poor ones that’s great. That gets us to July & hopefully a choice between Mahle - Paddack - or somebody else from the farm……if Ober runs out of gas or good health. I hope he sticks!

    Paddack himself said he didn't expect to return this year. My guess would be if we see him at all it will be very late in the season or post-season and it will be in the pen. 

    Ober has a good head on his shoulders with a high baseball IQ. He’s proven he can handle the ups and downs (literally) and has outperformed expectations at every level. Have you seen his interviews? Team player giving credit to teammates, engaging and thoughtful.  He’s proven himself over and over again. He deserves what he’s earned and as fans, we benefit from his effort. GREAT job to Bailey for weathering adversity and doing what it takes to handle what comes your way with dignity and class. 




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