Five Ways the Twins Can Salvage 2025

[chpettit19]

25 minutes ago, old nurse said:

What year did any of them lose money. Washington spent when they had a 2.5 million attendance . Reds had 2,5 million attendance, they had a higher payroll after that, attendance went down, spending went down. Same for KC. Payroll did not go up unless attendance did. Nobody was losing money. Expecting someone to come in and spend more than they earn does not happen in low revenue teams. 

It doesn't happen in any revenue team. Any fan expecting that isn't being remotely realistic. But that wasn't what you were representing in that other post. You said those teams got sold and didn't spend more. That is factually incorrect. I mean, you claimed the Orioles didn't add new payroll after being sold last year when the truth is their payroll increased by over 50%. You tried to claim the Nats are "not big spenders" after their sale 19 years ago because they aren't spending now despite the fact that they've been one of the biggest spenders in the sport under their current owner.

I said I agreed with your general premise that fans shouldn't expect new owners to mean the Twins are suddenly going to go spending crazy. But you did not present anywhere close to accurate information in trying to make that point. No, fans should not expect the new owners to lose money annually on the Twins. That isn't at all realistic. It's not going to happen. And I think the number of fans who ask for that is a very small percentage of fans. Most of us who complain about the Pohlad's spending habits complain that they are more than happy to slice spending on the down cycles and make tons of money, but they aren't willing to truly invest during the up cycles and attempt to win. Instead they "right-size their business" because their goal is to still make tons of money, not win.

That's my ask, at least. Make your money during the rebuild years. Slice the payroll. Have at it. But don't cheap out when it comes time to win. That's when it's your turn to invest. Because MN fans will show up. We do it for every team in the state. If you're winning and showing you're doing your part, we'll pay and we'll fill the stadium. If the new owner runs their business better (not a high bar) and doesn't completely alienate their customer base they can make more revenue and thus spend more money. Not crazy amounts more, but incrementally more. And if they show they care about winning when the time comes they'll make even more money because the fans will embrace them and the team. That's what most of us are asking for. Not $200 million payrolls year after year and annual losses on their books. Just invest in winning when the time is right. Like many of the teams in your previous post that you claimed didn't spend after their sales but actually did.

[Brandon]

13 hours ago, old nurse said:

Sell the team they say

Orioles sold a year ago March. No new GM, no new spending

Royals sale, GM promoted from within, no new spending

Miami sale, Hill retained and promoted, dysfunction continued

Reds sale. Not spending

Nationals sale, not big spenders 

Brewers sale, 

Athletics stayed moneyball

Rays stayed the Rays. Briefly went up with Longoria

Those are the markets with less than 400 million in revenue that have sold in the last 20 years. Why do people think a Twins sale would be any different?

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