Luzardo AND Alcantara?

[cmoss84]

*Disclaimer: This is a "I am bored at work hypothetical" discussion. I do not think this trade has any chance of coming to fruition.*

Crazier things have happened than the Marlins trading off two of their best players for salary cap purposes. 

What do you think it would take to get both in a trade? Who would you be willing to part with?

Here's mine:

Festa, Zebby, Raya, Miranda, G-Gon, and Julien. Does this even come close? Who knows. Thoughts? Who would you deal for Alcantara and Luzardo? 

[tony&rodney]

Just forget Luzardo due to injuries.

I suggested a trade for Alcantara in my roster guess, Take 2. I sent Miranda, Gonzalez, Billy Amick, and Charlee Soto along with Paddack (reduces cost of trade and gives Miami a starter for a year) for Sandy.

[cmoss84]

17 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Just forget Luzardo due to injuries.

I suggested a trade for Alcantara in my roster guess, Take 2. I sent Miranda, Gonzalez, Billy Amick, and Charlee Soto along with Paddack (reduces cost of trade and gives Miami a starter for a year) for Sandy.

I'd use a 6 man rotation to limit innings/lower risks of injuries. Until we can't anyway. Sign a nice lefty arm to add to the pen, and it could be fairly formidable

1. Pablo 160 inn

2. Sandy 160 inn

3. Jesus 140 inn

4. Bailey 150 inn

5. Joe 140 inn

6. SWR 140 inn

Duran/Jax

Sands/lefty FA

Alcala/Varland

 

 

[tony&rodney]

5 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

I'd use a 6 man rotation to limit innings/lower risks of injuries. Until we can't anyway. Sign a nice lefty arm to add to the pen, and it could be fairly formidable

1. Pablo 160 inn

2. Sandy 160 inn

3. Jesus 140 inn

4. Bailey 150 inn

5. Joe 140 inn

6. SWR 140 inn

Duran/Jax

Sands/lefty FA

Alcala/Varland

 

 

Using a six person rotation would not reduce the risk of injury. Starting pitchers have a fairly common routine which involves rest to recover, throwing between starts, and preparation for their next start. A pitching arm requires recovery time dependent on the individual and the number of pitches thrown. Some starters never are able to transition to a bullpen because their arms need more than two days to return to normal. We often see poor results from starters brought back on short rest in the playoffs (yes, there are a couple of exceptional exceptions). Some relievers cannot be effective beyond a certain number of pitches. A select few have rubber arms and seemingly can pitch an inning or two most days. The use of a four person rotation would be more likely, especially considering that pitchers seldom are allowed past the fifth inning. 

Miami claims that Alcantara will be their Opening Day starting pitcher. They still need some decent players to fill out the roster and their farm system needs help. I think they would see more value in receiving both quantity and quality for Alcantara than receiving little for Luzardo. Luzardo is not that appealing for other teams because he would struggle to go beyond 125 innings next season, even if he was really good. Those innings fit better for the Marlins. Miami also has another high potential, oft-injured pitcher who is out of options, Edward Cabrera. Edward would not bring back too much for Miami but he might be a good option for another team's bullpen. The problem is that he is out of options.

[cmoss84]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

Using a six person rotation would not reduce the risk of injury.

Yes, six-man rotations in Major League Baseball (MLB) can reduce the risk of injury to starting pitchers:

• More time to recover

  A six-man rotation gives starting pitchers more time to recuperate between games, which can reduce the risk of injury.
• Fewer innings pitched

  With a sixth starter, pitchers pitch fewer innings per season, which can reduce the risk of injury. For example, if a starting pitcher averages six innings per start, they'll pitch 192 innings in a five-man rotation, but only 162 innings in a six-man rotation.
• Common in Japan

  Six-man rotations are common in Japan, and the country has much lower rates of Tommy John surgeries. 

   

  The Dodgers are planning to use a six-man rotation in 2025. 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-six-man-rotations-ever-worth-it/

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-costs-and-benefits-of-six-man-rotations/

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2053303-will-obsession-with-preserving-pitchers-soon-lead-to-6-man-mlb-rotations

[tony&rodney]

Totally exceptional circumstances regarding the Dodgers. Ohtani and many others returning from serious injuries which result in both pitch counts and innings limits. The reason I put Sandy Alcantara #4 in my rotation is to protect him and Sandy had surgery longer ago than the Dodgers guys.