Grading Recent Trade Deadlines for the Minnesota Twins

[bean5302]

1 hour ago, CCHOF5yearstoolate said:

Steer has been one of the worst defenders in all of baseball since he debuted. UZR/150 is not worth using (and even that says he's been bad/awful everywhere but 1B and in 8 innings of 2B this season).

Both DRS and OAA have him far below average everywhere he's played - particularly so at 3B.

It's a little early to call them both "everyday 2 WAR players" - particularly CES who has shown nothing at the MLB level.  

Steer has been playing out of position. OAA is literally the worst defensive metric you can find without 2-3 years of consistent play time. It's a wild metric like catcher framing.

No, it's not early.

[CCHOF5yearstoolate]

2 hours ago, bean5302 said:

Steer has been playing out of position. OAA is literally the worst defensive metric you can find without 2-3 years of consistent play time. It's a wild metric like catcher framing.

No, it's not early.

Steer has no position because he's been an objectively bad defender everywhere he's played other than 1B - whoop-de-do. That's just a fact. And a foolish thing to say about OAA while you're citing UZR/150 because there's the same amount of data on Steer for UZR & OAA and UZR specifically mentions that you shouldn't make conclusions on less than 3 years of data. I'd love to see what sample size you're citing to say he's "acceptable in the infield." He's got many more infield innings and grades out awful there too. 

Ask anyone who seriously writes about baseball analytics what they think of UZR.

You can think that but the reality is that Steer and CES could easily be 0 WAR or lower players in the next couple of years.