Astros looking to take Colin Moran #1? Let's hope so.

[ThePuck]

As baltimore brings up Gusman and we passed on Appel last year, along with zimmerman and several others..

 

It's Zimmer, johnny. Kyle Zimmer.

[cmb0252]

I don't think many saw Correa being picked by Houston #1 last year

 

While he was a surprise pick at #1 it wasn't because of talent. Sickels had Correa as his #1. BA had him at #2. Law mentioned he had scouts tell him that they wouldn't be surprised if Correa ended being the best prospect from the draft based on talent. Anyone who has followed the draft knows Moran isn't in the same conversation talent wise as the people ahead of him.

 

The Astros are doing their homework. Also, like with Stewart trying build up leverage by using "I want to go to college" I bet that's what they are doing. Making it public that they can take a guy under slot to build leverage.

[ThePuck]

I don't HAVE an opinion about it. I'm not qualified to have one

 

If you have no opinion, and if you don't have an opinion because you aren't qualified to have one (as YOU say), then why are you even on this site discussing anything to do with the Twins? You could say you weren't qualified to have an opinion on practically any topic on this site, couldn't you?

[ThePuck]

While he was a surprise pick at #1 it wasn't because of talent. Sickels had Correa as his #1. BA had him at #2. Law mentioned he had scouts tell him that they wouldn't be surprised if Correa ended being the best prospect from the draft based on talent. Anyone who has followed the draft knows Moran isn't in the same conversation talent wise as the people ahead of him.

 

The Astros are doing their homework. Also, like with Stewart trying build up leverage by using "I want to go to college" I bet that's what they are doing. Making it public that they can take a guy under slot to build leverage.

 

You mean in their final mock drafts? By people paid to try and predict what teams will do.

 

I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am (cause it's about the truth), but I don't remember Correa being that high up at this point last year.

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If you have no opinion, and if you don't have an opinion because you aren't qualified to have one (as YOU say), then why are you even on this site discussing anything to do with the Twins? Is it just to slam other people's opinions constantly...well, scratch that, slam other people's opinions that disagree with the Twins moves? Is that all you're here to do, parrot the opinions of ownership and the FO?

 

Mike is here to argue BPA vs Need. This is what keeps 90% of the draft/prospect forums going!

[ThePuck]

Mike is here to argue BPA vs Need. This is what keeps 90% of the draft/prospect forums going!

 

My post was in response to birdwatcher...not Mike. Mike asked him for an opinion and his response was 'I don't HAVE an opinion about it. I'm not qualified to have one'. That comment is a way to say Mikes opinion wasn't valid over the Twins' decisions because the Twins are qualified. Of course, after saying he didn't have an opinion he went on to give an opinion anyway that, of course, supported the Twins' decision.

 

So I wonder, if that's the kind of response he gives, on what topics in here does he think he's qualified to have.

 

The man goes around slamming any opinion that differs from what Twins management does.

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You mean in their final mock drafts? By people paid to try and predict what teams will do.

 

I could be wrong, and please correct me if I am (cause it's about the truth), but I don't remember Correa being that high up at this point last year.

 

I don't remember where people had Correa in the mocks, currently there isnt a single mock out there with Moran going before the Indians, but I remember Correa in the up coming days being linked heavily with the Astros/Twins/mariners.

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My post was in response to birdwatcher...not Mike. Mike asked him for an opinion and his response was 'I don't HAVE an opinion about it. I'm not qualified to have one'. Since he disagree with Mike's opinion, apparently, that's a way to say Mikes opinion wasn't valid over the Twins' decisions because they are qualified. So I wonder, if that's the kind of response he gives, on what topics in here does he think he's qualified to have.

 

The man goes around slamming any opinion that differs from what Twins management does.

 

Fiddle sticks...you are right. My bad!

[ThePuck]

I don't remember where people had Correa in the mocks, currently there isnt a single mock out there with Moran going before the Indians, but I remember Correa in the up coming days being linked heavily with the Astros/Twins/mariners.

 

which likely affected the mocks. let's see how the mocks end up right before the draft

[drjim]

I'll take that bet, what odds do people want? Gray or Appel will be the pick, I'd bet Gray if I had to pick one. But I'm happy to take the field over Moran....

 

Courageous bet right there.

[InfraRen]

From Keith Law's Chat Today:

 

Ryan (Denver)

 

Pretty much every mock draft I've seen has the same 3 guys in the same order at the top. Do you think there is any chance that the Astros or Cubs take Bryant or another bat?

 

Klaw (1:10 PM)

My mock explicitly mentioned Moran as a candidate at the first pick. I think there's at least a 25% chance he's the guy there, maybe higher. That would jumble the top five a little - the Cubs would take Appel, then the Rockies might take Gray over Bryant, and Cleveland would hope to get Bryant if the Twins stick with Stewart.

[ThePuck]

I'll take that bet, what odds do people want? Gray or Appel will be the pick, I'd bet Gray if I had to pick one. But I'm happy to take the field over Moran....

 

 

I love it when people step up and put themselves out there. Nice.

[zenser]

With rumors like this and also rumors of the Twins going under slot, wouldn't teams need a lot of luck to have their guys fall to them in the second round? I am just trying to understand the process of going under slot. I know we don't know the teams draft boards but wouldn't they be taking a big gamble going under slot in hopes of having their guy fall? I know it worked out last year for Houston having McCullers fall. If I do remember, it was pretty well known that it would take a lot of money for him to sign. But also last year, it seemed like the talent level was pretty solid from in the 10-25 range. If the Twins or in this case the Astros go under slot, who would be the target? I really haven't heard any monetary demands or expectations. One other question, would the second round pick, if going under slot, be a college junior and/or HS kid who has some leverage by going back to school? Thanks for your responses on this. I am just trying to figure out the hows and whys.

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With rumors like this and also rumors of the Twins going under slot, wouldn't teams need a lot of luck to have their guys fall to them in the second round? I am just trying to understand the process of going under slot. I know we don't know the teams draft boards but wouldn't they be taking a big gamble going under slot in hopes of having their guy fall? I know it worked out last year for Houston having McCullers fall. If I do remember, it was pretty well known that it would take a lot of money for him to sign. But also last year, it seemed like the talent level was pretty solid from in the 10-25 range. If the Twins or in this case the Astros go under slot, who would be the target? I really haven't heard any monetary demands or expectations. One other question, would the second round pick, if going under slot, be a college junior and/or HS kid who has some leverage by going back to school? Thanks for your responses on this. I am just trying to figure out the hows and whys.

 

Let's see if I can answer all these.

 

There are only two reasons to go under slot in the first round. First is because you are cheap and want save money ala the Marlins last year. Second is because you plan to save money on your first pick to spend over slot later. Seeing the Twins spent more money than anyone last year and pressure to draft well we can reasonably establish they fall into the second reason to go under slot. The big question you ask, wouldn't teams need a lot of luck to have their guys fall to them in the second round? Basic answer is sort of...

 

Obviously no one exactly knows who is taking who but it is part of the front offices job to have an idea. Scouts talk to other scouts. Scouts gage signabilty by talking to players .Scouts recognize other scouts/front office types and report it. If a team is spending money/time to send multiple scouts to watch a guy clearly they are interested. Does that mean they will take that player? Of course not and that is where the luck comes in. No one really knows how the draft will precede.

 

As to the who. Majority of the players will be HSers or college juniors who fell because of health concerns. Here is a list Matt Garrioch put together about signability issue guys:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/5/20/4344286/2013-mlb-draft-players-with-signability-questions

 

 

 

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Over at Crawfish Boxes, Astros SB Nation forum, they talked about McDaniel's tweet and posted a few other ones by a local writer. Interesting read for those of you really hoping the Astros grab Moran.

 

Astros 2013 MLB Draft Notes: Colin Moran Making Push For First Selection - The Crawfish Boxes

[Einstein]

Moran is starting to grow on me if the big 3 are gone. I'd probably still take Stewart, but if the Twins feel the negotiations with him could grow unruly, Moran would be an acceptable alternative in my book. The guy can hit, he's got a quick bat, he's got a good eye at the plate, he's got some power potential, he can play multiple positions (3B, 1B, probably corner OF) and being a college player he won't need as long to develop.

[cmb0252]

Moran is starting to grow on me if the big 3 are gone. I'd probably still take Stewart, but if the Twins feel the negotiations with him could grow unruly, Moran would be an acceptable alternative in my book. The guy can hit, he's got a quick bat, he's got a good eye at the plate, he's got some power potential, he can play multiple positions (3B, 1B, probably corner OF) and being a college player he won't need as long to develop.

 

Count me on the other side. If the big 3 are gone give me Stewart, Frazier, or Shipley under slot so we can grab Boldt/Serrano in the second. I don't trust Moran's glove.

[Mike Sixel]

Frazier isn't going under slot, not enough to matter anyway. But yes, Frazier or Shipley or even Stanek are my preference over Moran.

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Frazier isn't going under slot, not enough to matter anyway. But yes, Frazier or Shipley or even Stanek are my preference over Moran.

 

Sorry, meant to say Stewart/Frazier OR Shipley specifically under slot. In BA's recent draft they mentioned the Marlins might take Shipley to save money at 6:

 

"The industry buzz continues to be that the Marlins will look to save money with their first-round selection. Miami is expected to cut a deal with Shipley or McGuire, with New Mexico corner infielder D.J. Peterson a third option. Frazier and Meadows might factor in here as well."

 

If they could cut a deal with him at 6 how big of a discount can we get? As I say this, I'm not huge on Shipley but I much rather have him on the cheap over Moran at full slot.

[Einstein]

Count me on the other side. If the big 3 are gone give me Stewart, Frazier, or Shipley under slot so we can grab Boldt/Serrano in the second. I don't trust Moran's glove.

What makes you think that they could get Stewart, Frazier or Shipley under slot but not Moran?

 

Here's a Joey Votto comp on Moran: 2013 MLB Mock Draft: The Star Each Projected First-Round Pick Most Resembles | Bleacher Report

 

Who couldn't use a Joey Votto?