Article: Gleeman & The Geek, Ep 349: Duke & Sano

[John Bonnes]

Aaron and John talk about the pros and cons of the Twins signing reliever Zack Duke, the overall state of the Twins' bullpen, assault allegations against Miguel Sano, Mike Napoli rumors, brunch at Iron Door Pub, the sold out Winter Meltdown event, and waiting on Yu Darvish. (Sponsored by Harry's Razors and RxBar.) You can listen by downloading us from iTunes, Stitcher or find it at GleemanAndTheGeek.com. Or just click this link. http://traffic.libsy...3?dest-id=74590

 

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[Guest]

Well done, guys. 

[Buddy Holly]

I have read a lot of articles on the Sano incident and tend to believe that the young lady has merit in her claims.

 

With that said I disagree with the #Me too movement. This movement goes against everything I learned in 30 years of management. Rule #1 confidentiality has to be adhered to. The #Me too movement makes everything public. Rule #2 if you see something or hear of something, as a person of management it must be reported in confidentiality. If someone on the Twins Daily staff heard of this or the Twins it needed to be documented and addressed. Harassment needs to be dealt with or you loose credibility. The young lady needed to know up front that she would be protected and  should have not been afraid to come forward at the time.

 

The bad thing about #Me too it takes away confidentiality and creates miss trust between the men and women. Men become gun shy and don't want to work around women. I have had to deal with this a lot over the years. I have had to deal with all kinds of harassment in the work place and it goes both ways. The worst kind is baiting. Some women will bait men into thinking they can say anything and then put it in their pocket to use later if they need it. I'm not saying all women do this but it does exist and many men fall trap to it. When someone says something out of line either sex needs to say that is not acceptable talk in my company.

 

The Twins I hope have a Code of Conduct and train on it at all levels. It's a lot easier to deal with, when everyone knows the rules. It seems this hasn't been the case.

 

When I started working, problems were handled on the job site. You usually never wanted to go through that scenario again. Today problems are a lot more complicated with social media, diverse work force and a highly divided country. 

 

My comment is not to fault anyone, but to give a perspective into the incident. I hope the young Photographer has some peace in this situation and Mr. Sano learns and grows from this incident. 

[PseudoSABR]

 

The bad thing about #Me too it takes away confidentiality and creates miss trust between the men and women. Men become gun shy and don't want to work around women. I have had to deal with this a lot over the years. I have had to deal with all kinds of harassment in the work place and it goes both ways. The worst kind is baiting. Some women will bait men into thinking they can say anything and then put it in their pocket to use later if they need it. I'm not saying all women do this but it does exist and many men fall trap to it. When someone says something out of line either sex needs to say that is not acceptable talk in my company.

Nothing about #metoo takes away confidentiality.  She spoke in confidence with those she trusted.If you mean you would have preferred the matter be handled internally--well, that's been modus operandi for decades, and yet we obviously still have a systemic problem with sexual harassment/assault. These aren't just a few bad apples; the problem is cultural, social, structural, and it is exacerbated by those who wish to keep this kind of information from public view.

[maxpowers2]

One of the things that bothered me about the discussion on the podcast and many comments on the board is that the common answer to "Why did she wait 2 years to report?" seems to be "Why does it matter?".  Here are a number of things this impacts:

 

1. Tape - The loading dock hallway area where this took place likely had a security system.  In the 90's there were a number of rapes in the back hallways at MOA that got a lot of publicity and increased security measures were put in to many Malls back hallways.  They would also likely be there because storage docks are a common theft area and are usually well monitored.  The 27 month gap is likely going to result in no footage being available, either in the loading dock or in the mall where she says Sano grabbed her and pulled her to the Apple store.

 

2.  Witnesses - The 27 month delay means that the independent surveying of witnesses in the area like mall employees is not possible.  These folks could have either seen her distraught or heard her scream. 

 

3.  Medical - The 27 month delay makes it so that no independent evaluation of her injuries by medical professionals can occur.  To the best of my knowledge we don't even have a picture to go off of.

 

4.  Police - the 27 month delay made it so that there likely will not be a police investigation.  Even if the Police and the Prosecutor had decided not to charge Sano they still would have established facts.  In the Chapman case there was no charges but facts were established that he did discharge his gun and that the girlfriend had some physical action done to her (choke or push). 

 

In the podcast it was stated that we likely will not learn more about this incident and it will remain a "he said, she said".  It was also stated that "we should believe her until evidence proves otherwise.".  I think we need to acknowledge that the delayed reporting has severely inhibited Miguel Sano from mounting an evidence based defense of these allegations.

[less cowbell more neau]

 

One of the things that bothered me about the discussion on the podcast and many comments on the board is that the common answer to "Why did she wait 2 years to report?" seems to be "Why does it matter?".  Here are a number of things this impacts:

 

Most women are afraid to come forward, especially in a public case like this, because they are embarrassed, fear they won't be believed and will be verbally and/or physically attacked for reporting it. It took a lot of guts for her to make this public even after two years knowing what she might in for given Sano's status among Twins' fans.