Orioles rushing Machado?

[old nurse]

I guess we have different views of success. For a team that has beliefs rooted in home grown talents that is an awful small list of impact players over a ten year period of time, and frankly, we've seen 2 months of decent play out of Plouffe and Revere, so I'm not ready to call either of those guys a success yet, the Twins didn't think much of Ramos and both Morneau and Mauer were quickly moved through the system. So that leaves Span from you list as an example to compare to Sano? I know you were just throwing names off the top of your head and there are probably others, but really it's not a very long list if you consider we are talking 10 years of time and an organization that prides itself on building from within.

 

Well maybe we should look at differently.

 

Mauer, Span, Morneau, Revere, Ploufee, Garza, Perkins, Ramos, Santana (they did rebuild him once he got to MN) Cuddyer, Kubel & Baker (plus I'm sure I'm missing some guys)

 

Now name me another teams that's produced that much MLB talent in the last decade? I agree that the last 5 years have sucked as far as player development, but you make it seem like every teams is pumping out All-Stars from every draft.

Crain, Mijares, at lot of players traded for and developed, Liriano, Guerrier, Lohshe, Bartlette, a few more journeyman relievers like Romero come to mind Part of Ryan'ssuccess was plucking people off from other minor leagues.

[greengoblinrulz]

Mauer spent his first full minor league season in Low A. At basically the same age, so will Sano. Next year, Sano could move up a level or two, like Mauer did. Or, he could move at the Revere pace and move up one step at a time. Either is fine. At the end of the day, it's not about getting them there quickly... it's about them being ready when they get there. They've moved Arcia pretty quickly. Hicks was moved slowly early, and clearly he needed that. There is no booklet that says exactly how long a player should take to advance.

 

Why should Hicks come up for September? I get it, if he's going to play, like Benson and Parmelee and Tosoni did last year. But if Willingham, Span and Revere are all there and playing, then he might as well go play elsewhere. They'll add him to the 40 man roster either way.

 

Also, there is a month left in the season. New Britain is very near a playoff spot, and Rochester is somehow finding themselves back into the playoff conversation. The Twins have shown a willingness to call guys up from AA if they're playing well, so why mess things up for those teams? No one's development is being stalled.

Its all in personal perception.

Twins got the benefit of the doubt for a decade on how they operated. For me, coming off the Bill Smith era, they've lost that trust from many fans & some think have been passed by many organizations in how they operate.

Im fine with Sano/Rosario staying in Beloit as next yr they 'could' move up quickly like Arcia did & that would be fine.

However, I dont hear of/see other teams keeping high prospects at a level so they can play in the playoffs but rather are trying to get them advanced ASAP to help the major league team....not the minor league ones.

On Hicks (Hermann/Hermsen etc), I believe 100% in promoting guys in Sept that will either WILL be added to 40 man that winter/spent the entire yr on 40 man & deserve it. WHY?? Seein the preverbial carrott of how good the life in the majors is should give these guys the work ethic that winter/next spring to bust their ass (not that they dont anyways). Twins/Gardy have always used the excuse that there isnt enough playing time.....who said they had to play?? They can sit & watch & see HOW to act as a major leaguer/see what they have to do to be there full time. I truly believe in that.

While service time matters, at that point I dont make the decisions on it yet.

[Badsmerf]

They usually call-up deserving players. I really don't like siding with the Twins on promoting players, because I have my gripes with them. In this case though, you can't fault them for wanting their guys to play an entire season instead of sitting on the bench. When it is their time, they call guys up. Revere, Benson, Parmelee, Span, Cuddy, Kubel, Neshek, Perkins all have come up and gotten playing time after seasons were over in the minors. I expect the same might happen this year, its just a month away still. There is really little benefit to coming up other than giving them a cup of coffee.

 

I do wish they would be a little more aggressive, but you can't pick that out as a main complaint. I have a problem with the big picture, and think prospect promotions is just a small part of that. I fully expect 1 or 2 OF prospects to come up in Sept. and take away AB's from older guys to allow them to finish the season healthy (pretty much what happened last year, just not the same scale). Your big problem is there hasn't been the talent to promote. I had a big problem with how they handled Cuddy, Bartlett, Kubel, Slama. But that is because they were making excuses about keeping them down when they should have been up contributing to playoff teams. If the Twins were a playoff team now and still leaving Hendriks in AAA, I'd be pissed. However, there is little reason to if they are working on something specific in a lost season.

[greengoblinrulz]

After a solid 10 yr run, MN had grown comfortable with how to run the minor leagues/promotions & had reasonings to why they did such things. They are definately still attempting to find a comfort level now that they are one of the laughingstock teams for the past 2 yrs.

They are trying to stay with their philosiphy (older players/younger players needed to develop) but they tried that in 93/96 & got them stuck for another 4/5 yrs. Just hope they stubbornly wont change with the times & their past 2 yrs dont turn into another decade of bad ball. They have some high level position players & hopefully they dont burn em out sitting in minors/levels too long.