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Yeah, that's one of the things I wonder about ... how involved was Ventura in the making of this decision.

I'm not sure how that's fast and loose. It's been reported from various sources that Williams reacted responding to complaints he received privately from players and staff. I'd say those complaints were clearly issues some had with their work environment with Drake present.

Both of you ... don't do this crap. Seriously. That's how bickering begins and turning a thread into a 'spat' between two from a discussion with all of us. Don't name specific posters like this, and don't respond to it. Neither are productive so just stop.

You don't have a MLB.TV package and can't watch it on your computer?

I'm not so sure your post addressed my question. So, are you saying that they ARE disregarding Sano's physical well-being to put up a better hitting team?

There are a lot of Yankees fans in the Fort Myers area. The Yankees only come to town once during ST so the crowds are always to capacity. Whenever I'd go to these games the spectators always seemed to be an equal mix of Twins, Yankees and Red Sox fans. And while the Twins fans would watch the game and cheer on their team, the Yankees and Red Sox fans in the crowd would spend their time cheering against one another. Today would be the day to use my trick for getting a drink rail seat in the shade, but you'd have to get there early. YANKEES Gardner LF Hicks CF McCann C Headley 3B Ackley 1B Denorfia DH Kozma SS Torreyes 2B Gamel RF Nova P TWINS Dozier 2B Mauer 1B Sano RF Plouffe 3B Rosario LF Park DH Escobar SS Murphy C Buxton CF Santana P Interesting to see both Hicks and Murphy in the same game. Who has more to 'prove' here? Enjoy! Hope y'all take a break from the NCAA tournament to tune in .., this one's televised. Hopefully it won't be rained out ... local weather has 75 deg, overcast with a 50% chance of rain, winds from the WSW at 7mph.

Again, part of your argument here is an 'if.' I'm not defending the move, here, I'm merely suggesting we let it play out and see. Boston has been moving Ramirez around to positions he's never played before, and yes, the outfield 'experiment' for them was disastrous, but I'd put Sano in a higher category than Ramirez. But we'll have to wait and see.

Well, I really can't put a lot of stock in what Ortiz has to say about what the Twins do, tbh. As I've said many times, while I'm not a fan of this move, I'm going to reserve judgement until I see how it goes for a bit. And while I'm also not a 'the FO is right no matter what,' I think those who have worked closely with Sano over the years to be better able to determine what he is and is not capable of. Do you really believe the Twins have so little regard for the well being of one of their star players?

Yeah ... I know the area quite well ... was just suggesting you all play information keepers for the rest of us.

Please be mindful when throwing out words such as 'stupid.' Just because you think it is doesn't mean it is, and it's close to calling other posters as such. Others here have given, imo, reasonable arguments pro and con. But let's get real here ... while some of us may think we know better, we don't and won't until it plays out and see how it goes. Right now we're truly guessing ... maybe in an educated fashion ... but nonetheless guessing how this is for Sano in the short and the long term.

But he retired. According to the media, he signed the papers and is gone. No?

I hear the White Sox are looking for a 1B/DH type. Maybe we can trade them Quentin for Sale?

I don't know why this issue fascinates me so much. Maybe because it's fun to see the White Sox implode over something so ... this. But I chuckled at the opening paragraph to this article: "After hearing White Sox ace Chris Sale eviscerate executive vice president Kenny Williams and seeing his teammates react to restrictions on 14-year-old Drake LaRoche's clubhouse privileges, it comes as no surprise Sox players feel so comfortable around adolescents. This whole embarrassing Adam LaRoche l'affaire carries the whiff of immaturity. This isn't about the Sox having one too many teenagers around. It's about having too few adults in the room." The rest of the article is a pretty reasonable take.

Yes.

Well, I don't know how credible USAToday is, but this story paints a bit different picture, imo.

I don't disagree with that. All I'm saying is that I have a lot of questions here because this is just really strange. And a signed contract is pretty binding, not to mention he has a union behind him. (Edit: being part of a cbu, an individual has a lot of protection and a lot of recourse and resources when it comes to any contract.) I get why he would choose to walk away rather than fight it ... because why would you even want to be around while that is going on? There is something else at play here. LaRoche also said that if it ever became a problem, that the team could address it and he would take care of it. Perhaps there was some kind of a problem and it wasn't being or wasn't able to be addressed to satisfy both parties? Again, too much we don't know. I'm not on anyone's 'side' here because it doesn't concern me and I don't know enough ... I just find this whole unfolding quite strange.

Yeah, I wouldn't allow my underage kids to hang out here for their education in life.

Yes, I read all that, all from Adam LaRoche's pov ... but I still question what 'due diligence' was done? Was the scope of his presence discussed seriously and completely understood? And maybe at the time they thought 'No problem' but there obviously was one. Again, as I've said, the handling of this has me question this event a lot. Did it become a problem with some players, who have remained silent, and this was Williams' attempt to address them? Was this the White Sox's way of 'getting rid' of LaRoche and his contract? Why the vitriol from Chris Sale? <shrug> In the end ... LaRoche chose to walk away rather than fight. If he was completely in the right, and had the contract to back it up, why walk away completely? Yeah, okay, he didn't want to play for the White Sox after that. But he could have used legal means to address the breach, if there truly was one. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Again ... a lot of questions.

POST-PONED - RAIN.

Then if injury is a concern, it'll be something else when he's diving for balls at 3rd. All players at one time or another seem to have some kind of a muscle thing ... I don't think that is necessarily positional more than it is being prepped and stretched. And even then, it's a thing for everyone.

I don't doubt that Williams handling of this could have been better. And I don't disagree that Williams can be a jerk, based on my one run in with him. But there is a lot we don't know. What exactly was agreed to in respect to LaRoche and his son? Was this a legitimate, legal contractual issue, or was it a 'gentleman's agreement?' Initially the reports were that it was something that LaRoche and Ventura agreed to prior to his signing, but was it something his agent outlined to the FO? If Williams felt that it wouldn't be an issue to ask him to dial it back a bit, then something was misunderstood when this was agreed upon. However, if this was some calculated ploy by Williams and the FO to get Adam LaRoche to walk? Hmmm ... that's more than being a jerk. And that could land them and Williams in a bit of hot water. Again ... we don't know all the details here. My other question ... why now? The timing of this is really strange, imo. Did the coaching staff notice something they felt was distracting for LaRoche having his son there so that he wasn't getting things done? Distracting for other players in getting their work done? Were there health issues (bad back) to were holding LaRoche back? Why is this an issue now and not all last year? And LaRoche leaving ... completely his choice. I don't place a right or wrong on this. He made the choice he felt best for him and his family ... good for him. And Williams made a decision that was best for his team. So be it. Chris Sale ... wtf? I mean he seemed to go all meltdown and start spewing about Williams? There has to be a back story in that somewhere. For now Reinsdorf has put a moratorium on players speaking to the press until this can be investigated. That's a just wow for me. Kids in the workplace. Whatever. I, personally, think it's not a good idea to have your kids with you at ALL times. Yeah, kids have always been around, and I don't think that's a problem. Most teams have family time built in ... space for families to be there, etc. But having your kid with you at all times ... on the field during practice, in the dugout, in the locker room ... I do think a line needs to be drawn. Having a colleague's kid around would be distracting for me ... IS distracting when it does happen from time to time. While it's fine for LaRoche to choose his family over work, when you are part of a team, I don't think it's fine to expect your colleagues to put your kids over their ability to get their best work done.

While I don't buy the argument 'If he can play infield, he can play outfield,' I don't buy the argument that some are suggesting that he's more prone to get hurt playing the outfield than the infield due to his size, either. I also don't know yet if he can play the outfield to any degree of passable, so I'll be cautious before getting too worked up over this switch; a switch, btw, that I found/find ... perplexing. But I'll wait and see.

If Nolasco makes the rotation I will go back and actually read this longer than life post.

But ... wouldn't it seem that that's what Kenny Williams was doing? Addressing a concern by asking LaRoche to have him be around less? LaRoche took the stance 'all or nothing' and quit. And good for him if that's what he needs to do for his family. I don't think the Sox did anything wrong here. And I don't think Adam LaRoche did either. If there was an agreement, I think it was a handshake agreement or it would have been handled differently. If it were in his contract in writing, I think you'd have to go through the player's agent at the very least.

Um, no. You've misused this. The correct term in this case is ish. Just ask Riverbrian.