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He may have asked Santana to do that if they were closer in score and later in the game, like within a run or two. Not sure that was the time to give up an out against a pitcher who was having no problem with getting us out all game to begin with.
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The rule has been posted. The umpire makes a call and IF that call is 'ball', then the catcher/catcher's manager can appeal and if he does the umpire must do the appeal. Now, the home plate umpire COULD have asked for help right away IF he wasn't sure (at least I see nothing prohibiting that), but there is nothing in the rule that says he has to. Either way, he still makes a call.
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We don't publicly know what happens with their evaluations and likely will never know. But there are evaluations done, just like any other job, and they do have a union and fall under their own CBA.
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I got your intent, buddy. It's all good. It was nice to see the actual rule quoted.
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Exactly. And thanks for the quoting the change from can to must on defense appeal quote I gave earlier. In either event, if the initial call is strike, then that's that. I've umpired a lot over the last 25 years and stopped a couple years ago.
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In this particular case, how was West being a 'dick'. West made a call, Hunter went off, and he didn't engage Hunter like he normally does. In this instance, how was West unprofessional?
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Once he called a strike, there is no appeal, though, by rule. So at that point, even if he wanted to get help, he couldn't. If West hadn't made the strike call, because he didn't think Torii swung, the defense then could have appealed.
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I pointed this out earlier on a later post than the one you're responding to, and others elaborated. Thanks for the actual numbered reference.
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what were they thinking? GO CUDDY!
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or even players from other teams did it and we saw them do it on a sports channel. If AJ had done this, I imagine most Twins fans would be all over him (including me. Hate that guy). If Cuddy had done it, it'd be fine with most I imagine. It should be about the actions, not who does it. No matter what the actions are And really, what Torii did in today's press conference was hardly heinous, but how he expressed himself did warrant a fine. And we move on.
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You've got a point, but I was asking how far a player of ours needs to go in his actions before we say he's over the line with his actions. I gave some examples. But again, point taken.
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Molitor gave a great post game interview to include when asked about the call. He gave lot of credit to Detroit's defense and David Price overall.
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Anyway, GO TWINS! Go HUNTER! GO WILD!
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Torii had just signed a FREE AGENT contract. The reporter asked if Torii felt that the commercial and his outspoken views affected his FREE AGENT process. For example, would the Giants have taken on Torii and risk the wrath of their fan base? You don't think there is a PR issue that may have affected his FREE AGENT process? And believing in traditional marriage is one thing, but publically supporting a governal candidate (by doing a commercial) because he wants to suppress the rights of people that believe differently and want to have a same sex marriage is another. Using your celebrity as a baseball player to do it is yet another. Oh, and it wasn't the first time he came out and showed his issues with homosexuality. A couple years ago, when asked whether or not he'd feel comfortable with homosexuals in the locker room he said: 'For me, as a Christian…I will be uncomfortable because in all my teachings and all my learning, biblically, it's not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.' http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/29/sports/la-sp-sports-homophobia-20121230
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There were many on the baseball shows who questioned whether or not he came forward because he knew a positive test result was coming. I'm torn on this because, besides the alcohol, drugs are illegal and if most of us came forward in our jobs we may get treated but then we'd also likely get fired (depending on your job) and maybe go to jail or get some kind of criminal record. He's also on probation. He's had multiple issues with drugs and playing major league baseball isn't a right. People who employ these players should have some kind of recourse when the players they employ possibly affect their brand, whether they come forward on their own to self-report or not. Of course, the Angels owner could have ulterior motives, financial ones, so there's that. If Josh was still an awesome player, would he have stood up for Josh? I've always found it odd that players like Josh who supposedly overcome these demons are idolized more than people who never succumb to these things to begin with. I get they are a better story and they may be inspirational to the people who fight with this, but still. It's kind of strange.
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For me if he had just ripped him for the call, that would have been fine. It's the meal reservation comment and concert part that was over the line from a professional standpoint. Personally, I thought it was coming, especially the meal reservation part. It was comment said by fans on other sites when it happened. Too easy of a shot not to take and, as a fan, it was kind of funny especially because I can't stand West. But that doesn't mean it doesn't warrant a fine because that kind of stuff just isn't allowed. Which was my point when I first comment. The guy I responded to said he didn't deserve a fine. Their job is baseball and that's unprofessional.
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Oh, here we go. Of course. I have no doubt there are people like that, but that certainly doesn't mean everyone who has issues with what he does is motivated because he is black. If it was an outspoken white guy saying/doing those things I guess there would be absolutely no ulterior motive by anyone who had an issue with it. At that point, it could JUST be about his actions. But if we can question a person's motives for criticizing, then we can minimize the actions of the player instead of holding him/her accountable. So why not.
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In order for Cuddyer to have diminishing skills in the OF wouldn't he had have to have some skill out there to begin with? :-) Other than his arm, he wasn't exactly a good defender out there even in his prime. Though, in fairness, he worked that baggy.
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Yes, the rule as written has always been bias towards the defense and that's not cool. Both should be able to appeal. But it is what it is. We may have wanted him to appeal, but by rule he did his job and made a judgment call on whether or not it was a swing. And I believe Hunter did go overboard. Taking personal shots. And believe me, I dislike West's umpiring and actions as much as the next person. I'm not saying you are part of this Seth, but there seems to be quite a few fans that give(some) of our players a much longer benefit of the doubt than they would other athletes on other teams. People defended Hunter when he calls a reporter a P word 3, 4 times. They defend him for taking shots at West (one of which could be construed as a fat joke). They defend him when he actively speaks out for discrimination. If he wasn't a star for us in his past and/or played for us now, I wonder how many people would defend him as strongly as they do? I wonder where the line is, honestly.
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I'm guessing this happens soon or they just move Santana to CF and Escobar to shortstop, period. Our CF options aren't anything special right now until Buxton shows up. -
He's made some awful calls and the umpires are graded. He's also been fined and suspended for his brash actions towards players. What happened today was a questionable call, for sure. But he didn't get in the player's face when the player went off on him. And he's also not required to appeal to 1B to get a second opinion. He probably SHOULD have, I certainly would have, but him not doing it doesn't mean he's not doing his job.
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No, he did. The debate is how far he bit (whether he bit enough) but he did start his swing for sure so he did bite. And no matter what, Hunter's comments after the game warrant a fine.
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Groisse Point doesn't count. Loved the movie though ;-) So how good is the food there? Is it on par with the food you'd find at the Drake Hotel in Chicago?
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And he was taking personal shots at the man. And BTW, Torii shouldn't have bit at that pitch either. Did bring back memories though.
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Ah Detroit. The hub of Country Music :-)
