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Morris saying something concerning Gibson I've been saying for awhile now. He is what he is at this point. And it aint good.

yeah, I missed it. Starting to sound like I should be glad I did. My wife told me that for my bday today, I should treat myself to NOT watching this game. :-)

Is it Morris today?

Danny Santana. An OF I've recently been told is about an average defensive CF ;-)

I didn't see it. Was it on RG or Danny? I ask cause both of them are horrible out there.

good throw gets him. not even a great throw, just a good one.

Santana and Grossman collided??

what just happened?

i would have prefered to have been greatly and overwhelmingly wrong :-)

cant like this post enough

I've always thought she was awesome. NOW, even MORE awesome!

yeah, Suzuki did a 'Great' job of framing that. cause that's his strength....

I had Duffey (on the linked thread) and Gibson on this one but I also said we didn't really have the kind of talent on this team where playing poorly would be considered a bust. 'I'm not sure that this team has the quality of players where one could have such high expectations they would be considered busts if they perform poorly. Sano has high expectations. Some have high expectations for Buxton for this year. Maybe Gibson? Hear a lot of people talking about him taking the next step.' Additionally, I didn't have Rosario as a bust candidate because, well, I didn't expect much from him based on the his BABIP and the triple boosting his slg%.

I like this quote from KLaw's chat though. CpCraig (Quincy MA) Commenter says: Theo has gone on both Boston sports radio stations in the past month, going off on a tangent about how BA and RBI are overrated. Do you think Dayton Moore is going to challenge him to a duel at the winter meetings? Klaw () Those Theo comments have been priceless. He's more or less pointed out that fans - and, although I don't think he made it explicit, writers - who still rely on idiot stats like BA, RBI, W, SV aren't even capable of arguing their points

I find it interesting KLaw thinks our development team is good when he just got done saying he'd love to see how Buxton would be if he had been developed in another organization.

Wasn't Tim Horton the first person to hear a Who? :-)

At this point, I think it's more of a cover your behind thing. Enough have bought into it and if you do something away from the norm, and a player gets hurt, you have a lot of splainin to do :-)

What makes this season even worse for some is that they believed last year wasn't quite the mirage it was, even though a deeper look at our performance showed our win total was out of whack with how our talent performed. Many people thought the good times were starting to roll. Pohlad said he and the Twins FO bought into it too. Then this year happened. I, personally, tend to believe our record doesn't reflect our talent level this year, but even still. Never thought this team was good. Never thought this team was a .500 or better team. This team has a lot of weaknesses.

z-defense (the overall stat that combines z-outs, z-range and z-fielding) tries to factor in all those things, F20% doesn't. F20%, by itself, doesn't even use range. it's Field to out, period. It is supposed to be combined with RZR. http://www.fangraphs.com/community/a-zdefense-primer/ The guy who created z-defense is trying to create his own version of UZR with some different components mixed in. If he used exactly the same as UZR, what would be the point? :-)

Right now, I have one poster that I use this function for. I don't use it for people I often disagree with because I like hearing opposing views. Only the truly ridiculous get put on the list and overall, this site's regular posters are very good, so that list is but one poster. Having said that, I'm sure I'm on many people's ignore list :-)

Like I said, looks very much like fielding %, with a new label, and is only part of one stat which is only 1/3 of a a stat that may tell you something. It even says you have to combine it with RZR to give it any kind of meaning and to be even one third of a part of what the goal is: to determine defense. I'm glad you like it, but I don't put much value in it by itself. Again, the research was fun, though.

'Here are his F2O% numbers by position compared to the rest of baseball for 2016. (And before anyone responds, F2O% is NOT fielding percentage): CF - Santana 49%, league average 53%. RF - Santana 41%, league average 50%. LF - Santana 40%, league average 46%. SS - Santana 100%, league average 89%. 3B - Santana 83%, league average 87% 2B - Santana null%, league average 92% (1 game, 0 balls hit to his zone)' So, I dove into this stat I never heard of, cause hey. I like learning new things. Here is what I found: F20% means Field To Out ratio. So, like fielding % really, with a fancy name. It is part of an equation to form a bigger stat to be looked at (the other part being Revised Zone Rating which attempts to measure range) That bigger stat that is formed is only one part (z-outs) of three parts (z-outs, z-range and z-fielding) to create an even larger stat: zdefense. zdefense is fairly new and as far as I can tell, isn't anywhere near accepted. I can't find it, honestly, on the Fangraphs site other than the primer talking about it. It's one guys recent attempt at creating something like his own UZR (with a different name but to do the same overall thing by different measures) in an overall attempt to create something like his own WAR (Which he calls PEACE: Player Evaluator and Calculated Expectancy). In any event, F2O% by itself doesn't tell you much of anything. Even combined with RZR it barely tells you anything. I have never seen anyone look at someone's F2O% by itself to determine overall fielding ability. Never heard it quoted or mentioned when talking defense anywhere but here, by one person. It looks like it's akin to determining OBP by looking at only HBP. I will say, I found the research into this interesting. Even though I wouldn't feel comfortable using F20% to determine a players defensive prowess, I'd like to thank Doomtints for using the partial stat and making me curious enough to look it up. .

Defense and overall baseball fundamentals may need looking into as well. Having a team so poor in even basic fundamentals on top of having the 2nd worse defense in baseball makes for some rough baseball to watch.

I get giddy every time I see a Game Thread started by Riverbrian :-)

and tied for 11th in AL WAR!