diehardtwinsfan

CO2 is a lagging indicator, not a leading one. The warming oceans causes it's release into the atmosphere far more than burning fuel. The flip side, is that it's good for plants, and more CO2 makes their habitation better. To me, that's one of the silliest things (besides the drama of the polar ice caps melting and Water World happening for real) about this debate. It's not nearly the best greenhouse gas out there, and it likely lags warming. By the way, for all the talk about climate changes, this planet has gone through and come out of how many ice ages? The great lakes were formed after one in which our Tundra biome became more temperate melting all the glaciers. That warming happened thousands of years ago, long before man would have been able to affect the environment. That's another big problem I have with this discussion. We have well documented massive warming and cooling phases in our history that every accepts as fact, yet no one in this debate is willing to concede that this could just be part of a grand geo-cycle despite plenty of evidence indicating it's possible. Again, I have no problems with the idea that we should keep the earth clean, but this idea that we are the central cause of climate change is really nothing more than people pushing agenda for the wrong reasons. I'm not saying mankind could contribute in some way or that there isn't any kind of climate change, but I do think this problem is being manufactured more to the financial benefit of some than anything else... and sadly, we are just arrogant enough as a species to assume that this must be our fault in some way. By all means, keep the planet clean. It's a great idea. By all means, keep researching this and figuring it out, but please for the love of all things intelligent, take a step back and look at the big picture and figure out what caused warming/cooling periods that mankind couldn't have impacted before we start blaming this one on us.

We'll have to agree to disagree there. Either curve can fit (the dotted line shows the linear one), and I'm not sure you have enough correlation there to make a definitive statement. If it's exponential, you'll know you a few years, that's for sure.

yes, agreed there.

Baring some sort of hot streak, if they are pretty far back at the deadline, I do hope TR is selling. He should have some decent items that someone wants to buy. I would think the following (assuming health and decent performance) could move easily: Plouffe Nolasco (keep up the Ks and decent pitching) Fein (though for a warm body most likely) Milone

It's what, four starts in? I don't think a bit more patience just yet is unwise. I have no problems if they promote them, but we are definitely in hot month/SSS territory still, and a few more starts in A+ won't hurt either of them. Same with Eades. I have no issues giving him a few more starts to turn it around.

You do understand that this does not invalidate what I said. Water level is not a function of density but of volume. Floating ice exists above and below the water, and when it melts, the water level won't change b/c the volume of water hasn't changed. That does'nt account for spillage of water into the oceans where the ice exists on land, but the idea we are just a few warmer years away from Water World is patently absurd.

The assumption that the warming is being caused by greenhouse gases is part of my issue. Cyclical sun spots for instance are known to affect the weather on Earth. And there's plenty evidence that the sun's temp can change over time. As well, temperatures are not rising exponentially. If they were, we'd all be dead by now. We really need to take some of the myth out of this debate. Gore's hockey stick is a good example as there really wasn't any good means to record temps for the length of time that he claimed, and he intentionally glossed over documented cooling periods experienced on this planet. Heck, the last couple of years were much cooler than average where I'm at, and it's always amazing how this debate tends to get very muted when you have a cool year. Personally, I'd like to see someone take the average temperatures and apply SPC analysis to it. The manufacturing industry uses that to determine whether variation is the product of random occurrence or something within control, and the method would largely work here as well.

I'm not as sure of that either. The water level of a cup of water doesn't change when the ice melts. That's b/c the volume of water in the cup hasn't changed. Water levels rising is only affected in areas where ice sits on land and that is melted into the oceans. The amount of extra water in the oceans to simply raise the levels an inch is staggering. The other side of warming is that it opens up more land for farming in northern climantes. I

The whole concept of carbon being the big mean gas is problem number one. It's not really a good greenhouse gas at all, and it's a much better lagging indicator than a leading indicator. The greenhouse gas that causes real warming is methane, and that isn't a byproduct of most manufacturing. My personal opinion is that climate change is real, but I am highly skeptical that man made climate change is as concrete as people would like to admit. We often forget that science is just attuned to money as big business is. Like it or not, how the scientific community is funded directly impacts this. People who provide funding often times have a vested interest in the results, which tends to skew them. We really need to get people like Ted Cruz and Al Gore out of this debate altogether. These are nothing more than blowhards who are seeking to rally bases or make money. The debate needs to be had more among the actual scientists doing the research... the politicians need to stay out of it. The other problem is that we've been keeping accurate weather data for maybe a hundred years now, hardly a drop in the bucket in terms of the earth's age, and being able to say that we have concluded that the changes we've observed are all man made in nature is quite frankly a leap. I do believe that we owe it to our children to keep this planet clean, but many of the proposed solutions out there are nothing more than means for well connected individuals siphoning money into their pockets as opposed to actual environmental changes, not to mention the massive double standards that allow the biggest culprits exceptions while the rest of us with no political voice have to deal with the laws.

I'll give you Cheney, he's as crooked as they come, but you probably shouldn't look to close at just how much the Clinton family is intertwined with all of them if that's your position.

It seems to me that the Red God and the Targaryans are somewhat intertwined. I'd think Melisarndra would play a key role if Jon Snow really is Reagar's child. Honestly though, the feeling I get is that she's having a crisis of faith, so something big has to happen if she plays a key role going forward.

Only positive thing about Trump vs. Clinton is that 3rd parties might get some serious looks... Talk about two absolutely horrible candidates. People keep voting the lesser of two evils and the candidates get progressively more evil.

I'm not terribly against taking it slow with Meyer given his season last year, but I do think he needs to be playing, whether that's an option in the pen or starting in Rochester, I don't really care.

did we win? ESPN won't say.

I'm on record saying the beard was the cause of all of it.

Some of us don't need google to come up with useless knowledge.

Ick. I thought you guys just used drugs together.

Or perhaps it was the Santa Maria.

I'd have thought that after being on the Mayflower, he was done with ships. I heard that was a tough trip.

That and TD seems to think it's OK to remove the spaces after a period.

That's twitter's fault. Single reason for America's yearly IQ drop

I hate ESPN... and they must hate the Twins b/c the view all MLB button doesn't show this game, but every other MLB game.... click on the "full scoreboard" link and it's there... for 2 seconds until some add crashes my browser.

Let's not pull Trevor into this thread please

wow... now this might be an HOF game thread... either that or we need to pretty much ban ourselves.

I see I missed out on a lot. Finally got to see thrones.... how did they make the red woman age that fast in a few seconds? If you could reverse that, you'd be a millionaire.