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Oh man, you're missing out if you've missed the Arraez articles and video segments on there. I promise you they're on there. A number of the MLB network shows even do segments on him and his swing. Just from this week: August 22nd, front page video article titled "Is Luis Arraez underappreciated?" as part of the Young Stars Week specials. Separate video segment on MLB Central same day as part of the Young Stars Week. Earlier in the year: July 16th article "Contact kind Arraez showing off versatility" June 27th Intentional Talk had Arraez on as their special guest. June 22nd "How do you pitch to Arraez? Ask his teammates first" June 21st "This budding star is hitting like peak Ichiro" June 14th "Arraez's fan club has found its president: Ichiro!" June 13th MLB Central breaks down Arraez's approach. June 11th "Watch out, AL: Arraez is hitting homers now" (I guess this one is about power so goes with your argument) That's just me going back through June and finding Arraez specific video segments and articles that would have been somewhere on the front page. They also put up highlights of his hits everyday. They're not all front page all day like that 122 MPH one was, but they're up there right after the happen in the middle section that is full of highlights. To be fair, I don't know if that's just cuz I'm signed in, though. But no, it's not unlikely that you could get a front page article about Luis Arraez. I just gave you 2 from this week.

If there's a Francona level manager that they could get here instead I'd move on from Rocco in a heartbeat. I don't consider Maddon to be on that level any longer, and don't think there are any of those guys available right now. If the FO gets the feeling that Rocco has maxed out what he can do with the roster they should move on. Have no idea what their feelings about that are, but if they feel that now they should've fired him mid-season to try to salvage 2022 and not wait until the offseason. I'll be ok with whatever they decide to do with Rocco, but I'd like to see someone who doesn't seem to be so inline with the FO in the clubhouse/dugout. I have no insider info, but it feels like they all seem to view things darn near the exact same way and I think that hinders creativity and the ability to adjust on the fly. If they're in as much of lockstep as it feels I'd like them to move on to someone who will push back more, but don't expect them to. Overall I think Rocco is just another manager. Nothing great, nothing awful. And I think that's pretty much 95% of managers so I don't see it as that huge of a thing if they keep him or not as the next guy likely won't do anything to significantly raise the level of performance on his own. I just don't think managers have that type of influence on Ws and Ls.

I wouldn't bet on Wallner having more speed. They're probably pretty close. Gallo is 46th percentile in sprint speed. Wallner gets pretty universal 40 grades on his speed which means he's actually probably slower than Gallo. Wallner gets mostly 40-45 grades on his defense (fangraphs actually has him at a 30, yikes) while Gallo has 2 gold gloves. Wallner is not a good defender and not even in the same league as Gallo.

They also have sprint speeds, throw velo's, route efficiencies, etc. It's not just about raw power. They're just giving context to the things the players are doing. Buxton looks fast when he's running so they provide you with what his sprint speed is so you can see how that compares to other baseball players. Or football players if you so want. And if you don't want then you don't have to. All the statcast type data you're complaining about is meant to do is give an answer to the debates on who hits the ball the hardest or farthest, or who runs fastest, or who gets the best jump in the outfield, or who throws it the hardest. If you don't care about those things that's cool. Some of us do. I like to know who has the best arm or runs the fastest. I find it interesting. Doesn't mean they're the best players or that's all I care about. It's not even the main thing I care about. But it's fun to have that info for when I feel like checking out if my eyes are lying to me. I'm pretty sure there were other articles on the front page of the league site when you went there. I don't think they were all about exit velo. Most of them were probably about the things you actually care about. Why can't those of us who care about exit velos have 1 article on the front page next to all the game summaries? Right now there's 1 article about MVP candidates, 1 about being able to stream games for free, and the rest are game recaps (or the Twins injury news because I'm signed in and they give me new Twins news as well).

I mean you said "who cares what the launch angle is" and I corrected you because nobody was telling you to care about 35 degrees vs 20 degrees, they were simply suggesting that if he'd hit it slightly higher it would've been a HR and not a single. How scientific do you think the HR measurement of Mickey Mantle's 565 foot home run was? When they first came out with reports about it they had it listed at 643 feet. Which one is right? Why should I believe 565 if I couldn't believe 643? But I'll give you the 565, and agree it's impressive. My follow up question would be, why do you care about that number but not 122? They're the same idea. Distance impresses you, but velocity doesn't? Why? What if the 565 went foul? Does it then not impress you? You're impressed he hit it 565 feet, but if we switched that to him having hit it 130 mph you're suddenly not impressed? Sounds like you just want things to be measured the way you want them measured. And that's 100% fine. But it's weird to me that you act like distance is so clearly an acceptable way to measure things, but velocity is just ridiculous and nobody should care about it. And I care. I'm guessing millions of other people care as well and that's why those things are on the front page of the league's site where their entire goal is to get people to click on things they find interesting. If people didn't click on those kinds of links they wouldn't put them on there. People care. Lots of them, in fact. Nobody said you have to, though. That's why they have articles about other things on their as well. Beauty of the internet is you get to click on whatever interests you while ignoring the things that don't interest you, but interest others.

I won't speak for that other poster, but in response to the article you linked to about TD writers predictions here's the records they predicted: 92-70 (1) 91-71 (1) 90-72 (1) 87-75 (1) 86-76 (2) 85-77 (3) 84-78 (1) 82-80 (1) 75-87 (2) I don't know if I'd call 3 writers with 90+ wins "most Twins Daily writers had them contending." There were 8 writers between 82 and 87, which is right in line with the 84ish wins Vegas had them pegged at. They're on pace for 83. I just don't see how 10 of 13 writers being right around their current pace, or significantly lower, constitutes "most" had them contending. 12 of the writers had them in 2nd or 3rd place in the division. The polls of the general TD commenters also had the majority listing the Twins in the 80-89 win range. I don't know that any of this suggests the general TD population had them as any more serious contenders than they've been so far. Maybe I'm not remembering things correctly, but mid-80s certainly seems like the general consensus of where people had the Twins this year in wins. And they're on pace for mid-80s in wins. I don't see that as underperforming.

I think you're focusing on the wrong thing here. You're not supposed to be amazed by the launch angle, that hypothetical is asking if you'd have been impressed if that ball flat out left the stadium in Pittsburgh. They still would've lost that game, but would you be ok with seeing a highlight of that on the front page of the MLB website if it was a HR instead of a single? Or is the general stance here that highlights by losing teams just don't need to ever be included in any highlight packages?

Nearly everyone may be slightly too strong, but they weren't exactly being predicted to win the world series. I think most people had them in the high 70s, low 80s, right around .500 mark from the surveys on TD, and most betting sites had them around 84 wins before the season started. The Twins are currently on pace to win 83 games. That's just about right in line with what the majority of people thought they were going to do before the season started. They got off to a hot start and people got excited and expectations changed, but coming into the season I think 83 is pretty much performing exactly to expectations, and wouldn't call it underperforming at all.

I think it's super impressive. I was also super impressed when he uncorked a throw across the diamond at the beginning of his callup this year that is now the 2nd hardest recorded throw by an infielder (if I'm remembering correctly). I thought it was super impressive when Wynn beat him with a throw in the Futures Game. It's front page news because it gets clicks. Many people watch sports to see people do things the rest of us can't. And in this case even other major leaguers haven't (that we know of). What is wrong with trying to get a little excitement for a game that is often times considered slow, boring, and unathletic by young people these days? Nobody is telling you you have to care about it, or even that it means anything beyond being the hardest hit ball ever recorded. Why does the NFL put highlights on their front page of the fastest sprint, hardest throw, or most incredible catch on a play when nobody scores and that team loses the game? It's just a highlight. Why are we upset about a highlight?

Your point seemed to be that he may consider picking up his player option because he's having a "substandard production" season, and thus wouldn't be able to get a big contract on the market. If I misunderstood what was meant by "the other "insurance" his current contract provides is against "substandard production" I apologize. But he won't be chasing AAV this offseason, he'll be chasing total guaranteed money. I provided some statistical examples of why he has every reason to believe he's going to be able to blow 2 years and 70 mil out of the water. Marcus Simien was entering his age 31 season when he got 175 mil last offseason. He'd only topped 100 in OPS+ twice in his entire career, and is only at 102 this season. He got 100 million more than Correa currently has locked up despite now being a 2B and being a worse hitter. It'll certainly be interesting to see how Correa's market plays out, but the decision to opt out doesn't seem all that interesting. Either he's hurt and picks up his option since he won't play a whole season next year, or he's opting out. His production absolutely warrants a massive contract, and he'll get it. AAV likely won't be 35.1, but total will be much bigger than 70 mil.

They can still negotiate a long-term deal, but Correa and Boras can't say "hey, we have 7/220 from Team X so you guys need to beat that." He gives up any chance to create a bidding war by picking up his option. Why would Correa and Boras want to do that? Correa didn't fire his agent last year and sign up with Boras just to try to negotiate from that position. Correa signed up with Boras to let Boras do his thing, and that's find him the best deal he can.

Correa has a 125 OPS+ this year. He was at 131 last year. 127 is his career OPS+. wRC+ numbers are 124 this year, 133 last year, and 127 for his career. Corey Seager's career wRC+ is 131, and he's significantly worse defensively, and he got 10/325 last year. I'm just not seeing these arguments that his value has tanked. Maybe he doesn't get 10/325, but he's going to get significantly more than the 2/70 he has in his back pocket right now. He has no financial reason to opt-in unless he gets hurt. This isn't "substandard production."

The SS market will be fascinating again this offseason. Early guesses would be that Turner returns to LA and Swanson returns to Atlanta, but there's no guarantees on either of those. I think the Yankees postseason performance will dictate a lot of their offseason strategy. If they flop in the playoffs I wouldn't be surprised at all if they take a swing at any of the big 4. Volpe isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in AA, and they've been without a championship for way longer than they like to be. Does Boston decide they want improved defense at SS and are willing to let Bogaerts walk to make a run at Correa? Is there a surprise team like the Rangers last year who just say "f it" and sign a big named SS even when the rest of the team doesn't look to be ready to compete? Are the Cardinals ready to move on from DeJong and are willing to pay Correa to pair with Arenado for the best defensive left side in baseball? Will be fascinating to watch how a lockout free offseason plays out for this SS class. Correa hired Boras for a reason and we're about to see why.

Barring injury, I don't see any reason whatsoever for Carlos Correa to pick up his player option for 2023. All picking up that option does is guarantee that he has no ability to negotiate with other teams. Why would the Twins be willing to pay what he wants if he opts-in and he can't negotiate with anyone but them? Opting out doesn't automatically mean he signs somewhere else, but it gives him leverage, and the ability to chase far more than $70 million. Correa, and Boras, are good at playing the PR game, and saying the right thing. But there's no chance he's picking up his option unless he has a catastrophic injury before the end of the season. There has never been a chance he's going to pick up his option unless he suffered a catastrophic injury this season. Those players options were nothing at all except injury insurance for him. And the Twins knew it the day they signed that deal. The FO is not waiting in anticipation of his decision. They know he's opting out. I don't know if he'll get $300 mil this offseason, but he's going to get way more than $70 mil. It'd be nice for him to stay with the Twins, but it won't be on his player options.

You're right, that '09 team didn't fall 5 games back until September 3rd. Then 6 games back September 4th. Then 7 back on Sept 6th when they were sitting at 68-68. I did get my years wrong on the other one, though. It was 2006 that they were way back to start September. They were 6 back on September 1 that year, and in 3rd place. My point is the same, though. Giving up on the season when they're 2 games back on August 23rd is silly. They were 7 out, and in 3rd place on this date in '06. And 4.5 out, and in 3rd place, on this date in 2009. In fact, in 2009 they were not only 4.5 out on August 23rd, but they were 2 games under .500. According to some on this thread they should've shut injury prone Joe Mauer down on Aug 23rd, 2009 to save him for 2010 since they had no shot at the division.

It might not matter. But that wasn't your stance. Your stance was that it wouldn't matter so don't even risk it. My stance is to give them a shot with their best players. Now if his hip is never good enough to come back this year then none of this even matters. But if they're still mathematically in the race when he's healthy again I'd bring him back and see what he can do.

My point is they don't even need to play drastically better to be in the fight. They haven't been good for 80 games yet they're still only 2 games back. That's the point. They don't need to have Buxton, Correa, and Polanco turn into MVPs or have Larnach come back and blast 12 homeruns in 3 weeks to win the division. They aren't playing well. Not arguing that at all. They're still in the fight, though. So why shutdown your best player in the name of 2023 when you blindly hope they'll be better than 2 games out by August 23rd?

You came on and responded to every single comment in the thread that slightly suggests the Twins shouldn't quit on the season. I'm responding to the 2 people responding to me. Isn't this the entire point of the comment section on Twins Daily? They've been a bad team that's still within 2 games of the division. I wouldn't care if they were 10 games under .500 if they were only 2 games back. When you're in the hunt you should keep hunting. Shouldn't have traded any prospects for reinforcements if being 2 games back on 8/23 meant throwing in the towel.

You're asking them to shutdown their best player for no reason other than you don't want him to get hurt when they aren't going to make the playoffs. You don't call that giving up? What do you call it when you suggest not playing your best player even though they could play?

But you've been saying that the last 30 games and they still haven't fallen out of the race. This division is awful. The Twins should be getting multiple players back in September. Maybe they'll come to life like the 2009 and 2010 teams and chase down the division title. Maybe they won't. But why would we ever want to give up on a season with over a month to go when they're only 2 games out? I'm not predicting a WS title. Not even a playoff win. But why just throw in the towel in August?

The 2009 and 2010 Twins teams were both more than 5 games out going into September and both made the playoffs. Why are we giving up on a team in August?

I don't get the attitude behind shutting down your star player when the doctors say there's no reason to. My point is you have no reason to believe he's risking greater injury. Everything the team has said all season long is that he's not risking greater injury by playing on his knee. Thus your argument shouldn't just be for Buxton, but should be for Polanco, Arraez, Miranda, Gordon, Mahle, Gray, Ryan, Duran, and everyone else on the team with more control beyond this year since they all risk blowing out a knee every time they step on the field just like Buxton does. Yes, I want them to play him as much as he can play while they're fighting for a playoff spot. I'm sorry I haven't given up on the season on August 23rd with the hope they will be drastically better in 2023. If they're not drastically better next year what month should they shut him down in? July? Have to make sure he doesn't blow out a knee in early August in case they're drastically better in 2024.

Luckily for the sports world your feeling doesn't decide who gets to make the playoffs in any given league. And hopefully, for Twins fans in general, the team doesn't agree with your and Cody's assessments and decide to just go home before September even starts.

Buxton is playing through tendinitis in his knee (according to Do-Hyoung Park). Surgery is absolutely not a safe assumption as tendinitis is rarely treated with surgery. Now it's completely possible that he does end up having a debridement procedure during the offseason, but it shouldn't just be assumed. "Time off won't fix it" isn't their stance. "If it's going to be something if he took significant time off, would he just be dealing with the same symptoms within a few games of returning? That's possible, too," is their stance. Their stance is that a 10 day IL stint won't be enough to fix it and he needs far more time off than that to do the therapies to get it right, without surgery, so putting him on the 10 day IL wouldn't help his knee situation enough to matter as he'd still be playing through pain when he came back. His hip flared up last night and changed the situation. The hip isn't something he can play through and he needed to go on the IL for it. When the situation called for it they shut him down. Just like I'd think the assumption should be. When shutting it down is in the best interest of everyone involved (team and player) they shut the player down. I just don't get why we'd think any team, or player, would be actively going against what the medical professionals say is the best. Or why a team should give up on a season on August 23rd when they're 2 games back with 17 games left against the 2 teams they're battling for the division title.

Do you have quotes from team officials, or Buxton himself, saying he'll need a procedure? What is the knee injury he's suffering from, and what is the procedure that fixes it? My point is you don't know that he'll need a procedure, or that he's risking an ACL injury (as you suggest without any basis from what I can see) by simply playing through the current pain. My point is none of us are doctors who have seen his medicals, thus have no basis to assume any of the things you're assuming. The people who have far more invested in his health than any of us have decided the best thing for him, and the team, this year and into the future was to play CF sparingly and DH on most other days. Why can't we just assume at the very least Byron has enough self preservation desire that he wouldn't risk next season, or his career, by playing through something he shouldn't? Instead you assume you know more about how his knee should be handled than the doctors paid to know such things.