Sorry Jim, but this is where you and others lose me. The entire idea behind WAR is that runs=wins. Contribute X number of runs on offense, you have contributed Y number of wins. And they've got entire databases of, uh...data that they use to say a single is worth a certain number of runs, a double, a stole base, etc. Same thing on defense. Deny the other team Z number of runs, well, that equals Y number of wins. Forget the fact that the measurements used to determine Z are problematic at best, that's the theory. It's math...what matters is how many runs. And then they throw the whole thing out and say if a first baseman contributes 30 runs, and saves 10, he's delivered fewer wins than a shortstop who contributes 30 runs and saves 10. Quite a bit fewer, in fact. So it's not math?? Both of those players accounted for 40 runs.