The are many facets to this discussion, and it is pretty impressive to me that obvious disagreements on this topic are being handled with logic and reason. Way to go, baseball fans. One item that I find fascinating is the discussion regarding viewpoints on whether abortion is or is not murder. I feel like there must be a spectrum of situations where nearly all (say 99%+) people would agree that something is not murder and a point at the other end of the spectrum where nearly all (say 99%+) where something is murder. Let's say at one end of the spectrum, you have a young couple in the back seat of a 1974 Caprice Classic (for the legroom). They finish their act, and 9 seconds later (author note: time chosen is random), their act (unbeknownst to them) is working on the animation of a human lifeform. But if someone (she, he, or someone else) would intentionally disrupt that magic right then and there, would that be murder, yes or no? Not some word other than murder; would it be murder? To me, I'd think that is a 99%+ point to "no, not murder". On the other end of the spectrum and in an alternate universe, the same young woman from the young couple described above is giving birth. The baby emerges from the birth canal, and 9 seconds later (author note: time chosen for consistency), the baby's animated action is disrupted by someone (she, he, or someone else). Would that be murder, yes or no? To me, I'd think that is a 99%+ point to "yes, that's murder." On one end, go one hour later (young couple saying goodnight, disrupt the animated life then - is it murder?). On the other end, go one hour earlier (young woman in hospital bed with labor pains, disrupt the animated life then - is it murder?). Keep doing that until you get to the middle point. I don't think that exercise would solve anything, but I'd be fascinated by the data. I don't think we'd get a real smooth bell curve. I think there would be sharp jagged data points where people on both sides would abandon their logic and reason and rely instead of emotion and belief. And that's ok because that's how we humans are. I'd just be interested in how it played out. Anyway, good discussion.