This is fair, IF, we set some kind of expectation of things being better, say, next year. If not, then not much really changed, imo. I get your points, bird, and appreciate your approach in this thread. But I have some issues with Gardy, that are all over this quote. It is about hustle and getting after it, and all kinds of things except wins and losses. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, maybe it isn't about stuff that doesn't really matter and how important that is to him. Maybe it isn't about the complete lack of that from him and Mauer and Perkins and Dozier the last few years (if it does matter, where was it before?). Maybe it isn't about him trying to say "hey, none of the last part of this was my fault, and I know we still suck, but really, I promise, it will be better, trust me, even though we have produced no results at all as a team again this year". Maybe I'm no longer able to take anything Gardy says seriously or objectively anymore. His refusal to play Pinto is the deal sealer for me. If that is not evidence of his ability to build up young players (or NOT), I don't know what is. He's basically saying "I refuse to play you in games that matter. Heck, I even refuse to play you in games that don't". Not sure how that builds the future at all.