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  1. Someone help me with the logic here. It is best to sign him to an extension that is so high that you could likely sign him in the off season for less? They are afraid if they trade him someone else will extend him? Or they are afraid no matter what they do they can't outbid other teams for his services in FA? How will the catchers we have get better unless they get experience? I am not understanding the extension logic for such a high price.
  2. I'd be fine with any one of those options. Maybe throw something else in to sweeten the pot? Like maybe a 25 year old reliever, possible closer coming back from injury? tic
  3. I think the author was just calling it like he saw it straight up. No account for age difference etc just what he saw. I thought it was an honest refreshing read. As others have noted you can't put a lot of stock in his observations as Buxton was worse and then much better the next year. A lot of analysts had Gordon high. Maybe not all top 5 high but he was 20 and up pretty early on. Personally I think his talent was bigger than just bloodlines but what do I know? I wanted a pitcher or the other high school hitter but I think Gordon will work out in the end.
  4. If that is the price then trade him and overpay for him in FA. That is a win, win. Don't bungle this. Only reason to extend him would be if teams don't want to give up a B level prospect to get him. Then fine extend him at crazy money and years. They have to spend their money somewhere.
  5. He is hitting .312 right now which is 8th in the AL his OBP is 11th or 12th. On a lot of teams he would be their best hitter or second best hitter. There is a lot of value in his bat right now. It isn't often you can acquire a .300 hitter at the deadline. His value should be high regardless of his average to below average defense.
  6. I agree. It seems odd that one of the least likely to be moved was moved first. We have three more potential FA's to move. Hopefully there are better returns ahead.
  7. If he recovers well from injury I am sure the Twins will make use of his arm. It just seems like we have relief pitchers with no where to go. Pelfrey will be back next year and possibly in the pen or knocking someone else to the pen so it doesn't fill a need which is disappointing. Granted I am happy they got something for Morales. I was thinking a lower level prospect that wouldn't need to be on the 40 man as don't you need spots for Meyer, Achter, Sano, Rosario, possibly Buxton, and who knows who else. Seems like those spots fill up quickly.
  8. Yeah I agree but when you have little to no leverage you take the best value given I guess. Sucks that he is injured and will ultimately take a 40 man spot. Must be something the Twins liked about him.
  9. Yeah I don't know a lot about Pryor but this looks like a salary dump to me. Not surprisingly probably not much of a market for Morales.
  10. You were probably more fair in your responses than I . I think I took what you had to say the wrong way. I think we do agree more than we disagree. I am not as eloquent as SD Buhr but I am more in line with his thinking. I don't mind fresh faces and new ideas and I agree they can bring great advantage. I just don't like over criticism of the FO that appears to be redeeming its past failures. I always enjoy what you have to say whether I agree or not.
  11. You are right I took it the wrong direction and our big prospects have not yet made it. My Apologies.
  12. I shouldn't pick nits but I am going to. As far as track records look at the draft over the last 10 to 20 years what percentage of those high 1st round picks pan out? I would guess easy would mean 80 to 90 percent but I think reality is more like 50 to 60 percent. I don't think that qualifies as easy. As far as injury control, all of baseball must be bad at it because TJ is rampant, players are getting concussions and various other injuries all the time. I think your injury prevention theory doesn't stand up to what we see on a daily basis in baseball for any team. By controlling a weakness I mean can you teach someone who bats righty to be a switch hitter? Can you teach someone big and slow to run at grade 80? Can you teach singles hitter to hit for power? Everyone comes with weaknesses in their game and no amount of coaching will change that. You live with what you have and try to find success with what you have. You don't control the skills they can develop. The player and their Talent control everything. You can teach things about approach and hope they get it and apply it but you can't do it for them. I can agree with you that getting prospects up when younger makes some sense. It seems that younger players that succeed against older competition tend to be better bets to make it in IMO. But I cannot agree this FO is so inept they need to be replaced.
  13. Just look to Houston and see that drafting high can be perilous as well. It looks like Appel is struggling and they picked poorly with Aiken. Easy, not necessarily. I think the Twins could bring up players faster but when they have some of them have issue's. Even the Rays and Cardinals have these issues. Not every player works out the way teams hope. How is Will Myers doing for the Rays? There is only so much that can be taught or done and then the players have to perform. They do or they don't for various reasons but most are not controllable. You cannot control injury. You cannot control players weaknesses. The list goes on. Maybe all the other coaches in Suzuki's career sucked until he made it to the Twins and that is why he suddenly became a good hitter or maybe he just finally figured something out that gave him greater success. Regardless Suzuki is the one that has to figure it out and the coach can only do so much (i.e you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink). I guess we just disagree.
  14. No question the Cardinals do it but all other 29 teams fail in regards to the Cardinals as well. The comments were about replacing the front office or managers as fixing the Twins problems because apparently they are not good at their jobs and identifying talent etc. My point is if they are so outdated and incompetent how can they have the second best farm system in baseball? Picking high certainly helps but other teams have picked high for several years and are behind us. The FO had a large lapse in talent acquisition and it cost them four lost years and likely five but they are fixing that now. According to the analysts they have a lot of highly talented players in their farm system. I don't think changing the FO is going to help us get even more talent. They have done their job finding high end talent. Now they simply have to hope that talent can perform in MLB.
  15. I think the front office is more to blame than the manager(s). Even before Bill took over the well was pretty dry in the Minors. The front office also made some bad trades and in the end it cost us dearly. Some where along the way they thought they could take any control pitcher and turn him into Brad Radke. Whatever the strategy it failed miserably. That being said it is hard to criticize a front office that has created the number 2 farm system in all of baseball. If they are such an incompetent bunch what does that say about the rest of the leagues GM's and FO's? They messed up and they are moving in a positive direction to fix it. Only team doing a better job might be the Cubs. If things work out well the Twins FO will redeem themselves in the next few years with or without new guys at the top.
  16. I am with you on this analysis. Managers MANAGE talent they don't create it. When Gardy and Andy were winning and the Twins way was the envy of most teams in baseball they were brilliant at their jobs. When he won manager of the year he must have really been bad at his job. They lost talented players especially pitching and now the manager needs to be replaced to fix things? Once the Twins start winning again no one will care if Gardy is still in charge or not. Blame who you want but the players have to perform to win games. I can't think of any manager who could win the division with the pitching staff we currently have. Talent coupled with consistent performance wins games. The Twins don't have much of that yet.
  17. Personally I would rather trade Suzuki for a solid B level prospect. The ceiling may or may not be higher than a late first rounder but at least you have someone who will likely reach their potential or has proven himself at some level of pro ball. Low first rounds picks seem risky at least when the Twins pick them. Didn't they take Shooter Hunt, Luke Bard, and many others that didn't turn out? Granted they found Berrios and Harrison down there but why take that chance. Go with a guy already on the rise in the top 100 or 200? I just think that is safer than even a late first round pick.
  18. They will bring him after the deadline when there is more room on the 40. They just have to. Service time doesn't matter anymore as he will be an old man six years from now.
  19. I don't think the Twins are bad enough to make the top five this year but maybe the top ten if they are unlucky enough.
  20. I can't think of any reason they had him up with the team other than the hope of shopping him at the deadline. I take it no teams were interested in trading anything for him. After watching him last night nothing was going to change so you DFA. Well they just need to get rid of Burton now and we can get another young guy up and see how he does.
  21. I think that works for trading Willingham or a lessor player. I think for Suzuki you want an established player with B prospect potential. A safer bet if you will rather than a low 1st round selection but who knows. It certainly beats getting nothing for either player.
  22. This gives me some hope that he can be traded. I really don't care what the return is as long as it is someone that does not take up a 40 man spot.
  23. The value Suzuki brings is in his bat. He is 8th in the American League for BA 12th for OBP. When you are in the top 10 that is an impact offensive player. If a team got Suzuki he would likely be the top hitter or second best hitter on the team. I think that is worth something on the trade market. How often can you pick up a .300 hitter at the deadline? Granted you have to live with some defensive short comings if you play him at catcher. He is still valuable as a pinch hitter for the NL and DH\Pinch hitter for AL. If you are making a playoff push this is a guy that makes a difference. I gotta believe someone is going to over pay to get him.
  24. I was wondering the same thing. There appears to be a couple of guys in A+ that could\should be moved up. Then you could shuffle appropriately from there. Virgil is an OK pitcher but if he is 32 and if he is blocking guys why not cut him loose or put him in the bullpen or something. Let's see what some of these younger guys have before they turn 32.
  25. I think you are looking at A C prospect like a pitcher in rookie or A ball that has high ceiling but lower floor. A risky prospect. The Twins don't need more AAAA players or relievers.
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