Same ownership, same approach, same results. Yeah, I'm glad we got Odorizzi this offseason and all but how is that any different than the last FO signing Phil Hughes or someone like that? No contender is looking at those type of pitchers and worrying about facing them in the playoffs. They aren't guys you trust to win you that 1 game wild card. They made an embarrassing lowball offer to Darvish. I dunno how serious they were about trade discussions for Archer or other pitchers, but the result is that we didn't get them. Our team isn't getting any younger. We're still signing guys like Belisle and not calling up many of our young arms. The fact is, that if I didn't follow the news and sites like this, I wouldn't have a clue that the FO was any different. Like I said, maybe this is the offseason they make a splash and make some big trades and sign some quality free agents now that a bunch of money is coming off the books, but I'll believe it when I see it. And on the Verlander note, I wouldn't have been a fan of selling the farm for him last season either, even if it were a possibility, which it wasn't. So we can agree on that front. This is all just my opinion and I'm just some random guy who likes to watch some baseball, so I have no qualms with you disagreeing or having a different opinion, thats just how I feel about the situation. And until they show me something different, I don't have much trust in them to provide us with different results. Firing Molitor would be a great start.