Otto von Ballpark
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By what measure? Berrios pitched the most innings, but "better" implies quality, not quantity. And with a fully rested pen in a tied postseason game in the 5th inning, I think we were looking for quality rather than quantity too. By any objective view, Rogers and Duffey were better *quality* pitchers than Berrios this season. Odorizzi has an argument. If you weigh the last 2 months, May and Littell would enter the conversation too, maybe even Romo.- 56 replies
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I don't quite understand the Berrios criticism. I guess he set down the bottom of their order in the 4th, but he didn't look particularly good before that, and he was already at 88 pitches with the heart of the Yankee order (Judge-Gardner-Encarnacion-etc.) coming up for a third time. Those 3 batters in particular were already 3-for-5 with a walk in the game (including two doubles from Encarnacion). The regular season move might be to try to milk another inning out of Berrios, but pulling him in favor of your fully rested pen seems like a solid postseason move.
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I'm pretty sure Rocco checked out before the 9th inning of game 3 (hence how Romo was inexplicably left in for a second inning and a season-high pitch count). So maybe May's appearance beyond that point doesn't count somehow?
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Now there's a dragon that Dave St. Peter can really slay!
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This article highlights some of the obvious flaws in Baldelli's decision to turn to Duffey first in game 2: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/disciplined-yankees-dominate-twins-again/
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Do you take the same view of the 1987 and 1991 postseasons?
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FWIW, Slowey never made a postseason appearance at all. And Baker never got a start in the postseason. Just a few mop-up innings in relief in 2010, game 3. (Plus game 163 vs Detroit in 2009, of course.) I actually kind of wish Baker had gotten a postseason start those years, maybe in place of Duensing in 2010. I suppose you could also list Blackburn and Bonser in this group, although Blackburn did well in his postseason turn vs the Yankees in 2009 (plus his game 163 vs the White Sox in 2008). Silva? Lohse? If they go the route of the Rays, I suspect we'll see more rando starters in our future, although with quick hooks in bullpen-style games.
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I hate to burst any bubbles, but this category also included Radke, Liriano, Pavano, Baker, and even Blackburn...
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Too bad baseball doesn't have a "Quick Lane Bowl"
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I thought it was interesting choice by the director, meant to evoke memories of the Phil Cuzzi inning in 2009 which had the same result.
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You are not alone! In fact, the Twins will be taking the field to this song at Target Field tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URyqGD99Owg
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Personally, I wouldn't put too much stock in a ~46 inning sample spread out over 7 years. At least not enough to flip Odo and Dobnak in the rotation, potentially put us in an 0-2 hole, and make Odo on short rest for a potential game 5. FWIW, Odo's only made 3 starts there over the last 3 years, and two were "quality starts". I would hope he's improved since he first couple years in the league...
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FWIW, Pineda may have known of his pending suspension back then (although that's not clear either), but the team most definitely did not. Teams aren't notified until just before it becomes official, after the appeal. (Which makes sense, as a player who successfully appeals may not want the suspicion to impact his relationship with his employer, future contracts, etc. Although it does make planning more difficult for the team.)
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You could always learn to eat danishes while watching baseball!
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Is Odorizzi a notably worse pitcher on the road? Or Dobnak notably worse at home? I guess I don't see it as a factor worth swapping them over.
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How so? Is this the ground-ball-vs-fly-ball thing? Odorizzi's previous starts vs NYY this season point to the futility of relying too much on that when forecasting a single game. Whatever edge it might provide, it doesn't seem worth it if it increases your risk of going down 0-2 in the series, and not having Odorizzi available on full rest for a potential game 5. And even if you do go with the Dobnak-in-game-2 strategy, don't you have to go to someone other than Duffey again as your first guy out of the pen?
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I don't think there was any *real* doubt about Arraez's ankle, after the first couple days. I think they were just staying tight-lipped to impact the Yankees planning. (Just like the Yankees were tight-lipped about a few of their bubble guys.) Arraez is a rookie, but one with a pretty impressive skill set of his own that seems to complement the rest of the Twins lineup more than Schoop's. And I feel like we're massively overrating Schoop to claim this as a questionable move. Schoop can be a useful MLB player, but keep in mind, within the last 15 months, he has recently been salary dumped, benched by another playoff team, and non-tendered. He had a career postseason OPS of .346 coming into this series, over 36 PA. Again, I'm not trying to pick on Schoop too much -- I think the Schoop/Arraez decision could have gone either way. The Odorizzi/Dobnak decision, a little less so, and the Duffey game 2 decision, after Stashak's and Gibson's innings in game 1 -- I still don't understand it. That's all.
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I did watch it, and I watched it again before I made that post. It was a "looper" more than a high pop-up, and it landed pretty far into the outfield as you can see in the spray chart graphic. The second baseman has to face the infield enough to track it, which sort of limits the speed at which he can go after it. I wouldn't call it routine or easy. Arraez almost made the play. It's quite possible that Schoop would have made the play. If it had been hit just a little higher or further, it's Rosario's play. To me, the outcome of that play hardly invalidates starting Arraez over Schoop.
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Although Schoop has a higher rate of grounding into double plays anyway (even vs LHP this season). And even if the double wasn't well-hit, Arraez's ability to make contact is probably more useful in the Twins lineup, than Schoop doing a lesser impersonation of Sano, Rosario, etc. I mean, I could see this one going either way. I'm not arguing that starting Schoop would have been a mistake. And I know that starting Arraez could have been a mistake, if his ankle sprain was affecting him too much. But based on what I've seen, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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I don't know if it was that routine -- it was really in no-man's land: If it had been high enough for Arraez to get under it, then Rosario probably has a better play on it anyway. And in any case, that ball dropping doesn't matter if Cron catches a relatively routine throw from the second baseman.
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Remember the Brewers had Schoop on their roster last year, and used him only 4 times in 10 postseason games (1 start, 3 pinch hit appearances -- and as an NL team, they pretty much needed pinch-hitters in every single game). So this isn't the first time a contender has deemed this as appropriate usage for Schoop. About Schoop "mashing lefties", here are some of his career numbers vs Yankee pitchers: https://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?request=1&submitter=1&batter=schoojo01&min_year_game=2013&max_year_game=2019&post=1&opp_id=NYY&throws=any&c1gtlt=gt&c2gtlt=gt&orderby=PA&orderby_dir=desc&orderby_second=Name&orderby_dir_second=asc Happ .563 Paxton .222 Chapman .000 I guess he was 2-for-2 vs Tyler Lyons, before striking out against him in 3 pitches on Saturday. Even in 2019, while Arraez has less power, Arraez has a notably higher OBP and lower K rate vs LHP than Schoop. Basically the same AVG too. Given the rest of the lineup, maybe Rocco wanted that spot to put the ball in play and hopefully reach base, more than another feast-or-famine, HR-or-K type? FWIW, Arraez doubled and scored off the game 1 lefty starter too. As the fielding play was mostly on Cron, as you allude to, I think the decision was justifiable and worked out fine.
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I don't know about Arraez -- Schoop's looked pretty bad in his PAs too. I'm willing to give some leeway there. But going to some lengths to protect your 3 bullpen arms in game 1, then starting Dobnak and *still* ignoring those 3 pen guys and turning to a used Duffey first in game 2 -- that combination of moves is a real head-scratcher to me.
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Game 2 was only 1-0 when Duffey entered. While that's not the platonic ideal spot to use Rogers, it is probably better than using Duffey again less than 24 hours after he had to throw 25 high-stress pitches against the same Yankee hitters. Heck, the first two batters due to face Duffey in that spot (Stanton and Torres) had walked and doubled against him the previous night. I really can't comprehend why we didn't go with a fresh arm there -- or just let Dobnak see if he can get another GIDP from Stanton.
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Has Baldelli really been that patient with his starters? Hard to tell with the rest strategy in play too, especially with our division lead, but pulling Berrios at 88 pitches doesn't seem too out of line. Especially given the quality opponent, the higher stakes, Berrios's stuff that day, and the heart of the order coming up for a third time. And Dobnak certainly doesn't have much history at all, much less a history of pitching deep into games. Neither hook seemed surprising to me, but Stashak in a 1-run game was surprising, no hook for Gibson was surprising, and the first reliever choice of game 2 was very surprising (Duffey having already thrown 25 high stress pitches less than 24 hours earlier).
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Good point! The 2017 Yankees came back from an 0-2 division series deficit... to beat the 100+ win AL Central champs... behind the solid pitching of Luis Severino... and the timely hitting of Didi Gregorious.... wait a minute, maybe this isn't the most encouraging comeback example for the 2019 Twins.
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