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Or that Dick Bremer is reporting inaccurate information. I just watched the video, the umpire does glance down at Molitor's lineup card while he is retrieving his own card, but this was just after they spoke, before Molitor writes on it. Isn't on Molitor to look over at the umpire's card? Or simply ask to see it after the ump has written it down? Not that the umpire should be sloppy, but Molitor is the guy with the vested interest in the outcome of the move. (Bremer too, I guess ) Heck, Roberts actually came out to talk with the umpires as the switch was happening. Molitor probably should have made it his beeswax to go over there and make sure they were all on the same page, and the whole matter could have been avoided.- 51 replies
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Maybe the Twins should start a volleyball team? We could bring back Corey Koskie to coach!
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It appears the Twins don't want to do too much to upset the Chattanooga juggernaut this season. Hence, external backfill for Rochester.
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I can't imagine $200k really matters in terms of the prospect cost. Occam's Razor says the Braves wanted to get rid of him a bit, the Twins wanted to add him a bit, and they compromised to make it happen. I suspect largely independent of the other trade parts.
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Santiago's first rehab start is tonight with Rochester. Berardino reported he will make 3 such starts, which could put him in line to return around August 9th. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/twins-hector-santiago-scheduled-for-three-rehab-starts/
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Thanks, yeah, I figured it out after the updates yesterday and today, so all is good!
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I actually did email last week about the "thankyou" link not working, and the unclear original promotion start date, and received no response.
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Yes. The Braves selected Reckers contract just 3 days ago, and optioned him today: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/braves-anthony-recker-sent-back-to-minors/
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Kepler's $800k was worth more (inflation). Also he is a position player so we had more confidence in his health and projection. And Kepler dominated his age-19 season in Elizabethtown, on his way to an AFL appearance at age 20; Ynoa, not so much, so far this season.
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I think Crasnick/ESPN has that backwards. Heyman and Bowman say the Twins pay everything except $100k which was sent by the Braves: https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/889598980119810049 https://mobile.twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/889596697784991744
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Not a chance. They are probably looking for Giles/Chapman/Miller level returns. There's no rush on Cincinnati's side, Iglesias is controlled for 4 more seasons beyond this one.
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Correct. They could actually send Gonsalves back down to the minors for up to 19 days too and still not burn an option year. It takes 20+ days on optional assignment to count as an option year. So they could call him up now, send him back August 13, and then recall him Sept. 1, or something like that. (Or send him back for Chattanooga's playoffs, or whatever.)
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Sure, Slegers can be considered a prospect. But he's a Justin Haley type prospect, which doesn't necessarily mean much to the Twins, unfortunately.
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For those that might be confused by the previous comments, the original prize was just 15 copies of OOTP to be awarded one per day, the contest start date was 7/13, and the only link given in the article returned an error page. Looks like that has all been cleared up now! Thanks John!
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How is Garcia below average? Burdi has thrown 100 MPH with big potential for 3 years in pro ball already, and it has produced only a handful of effective relief innings in the minors. With the surgery, he's probably the 20th or worse Twins prospect these days. Also, the Cubs weren't contending when they made that trade in 2014. Theo has never punted an active pennant race. And I don't know why people keep saying 2019 is the target at any cost. Sano is a star now, Berrios looks good now... I hope the team overall gets better by 2019, but team building is not a binary thing. We're not at zero in 2017. And a single guy like Burdi doesn't move us appreciably close to a one in 2019.
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Berardino's original source had the Braves picking up some of the salary too, subject to what players they settled on: http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/20/report-twins-nearing-deal-for-braves-lefty-jaime-garcia/
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I never said Garcia would get a "great return" -- just that it was incorrect to take his return from last winter and divide by two. And actually the fact that Garcia faded late last year is probably encouraging, given his results in 2017 -- 2016 was his first full year in awhile. Consistent struggles would have suggested he was a worse pitcher. He is probably better positioned now to stay effective later into this season.
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Yes, 90 days. So half a season on the DL would be ideal.
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Only Happ among that group was traded in the previous offseason to have a similar basis of comparison as Garcia now. So you'd also have to consider how market factors may have been different in 2015 than in 2017. And Happ was performing worse than Garcia and the others too (82 ERA+), so the fact that his return was lower was not surprising. And I think it was shown around here recently that the Leake trade wasn't a bad return. Duvall is a corner slugger type, but he has accumulated 5 bWAR and counting for 2016-2017. The other guy was the Giants #3 prospect per Sickels that year, B/B+ grade. The prospects in the Kazmir trade were also reasonably well-considered at the time too. Nottingham was a catcher having a breakout season, and was even BP's #66 overall prospect that next offseason, and was eventually used by the A's to acquire Khris Davis.
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I wonder if some of this could be jockeying by the Twins to scare teams from picking Burdi in Rule 5. Or the Braves scaring teams picking ahead of them so they can pick Burdi. Or it could simply suggest his value is still high enough that he's an obvious 40-man addition. That's what I thought before, because he would make an ideal Rule 5 selection.
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It certainly appears that the Twins are hoping to keep the Chattanooga powerhouse intact through their playoffs, rather than promote...
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Perhaps -- Sickels had him 11th, at C+/B-, but that was before TJ. I'd be pretty surprised if the Braves valued him higher than that, but backed away based on medicals. My gut feeling says the Braves were indeed concerned enough about the medicals to back away from the deal... but the Twins had already set up the contraints/parameters of said deal.
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NL league ERA is 4.34 this year. Starter ERA is 4.46. A 3.86 ERA, in 7 innings, against the best offense in the NL (by wRC+), is pretty good. And it wasn't necessarily luck, as he also had a 2.44 FIP. Only took 91 pitches to get through 7 too, he could have possibly gone 8+ innings under different circumstances.
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I won't quibble about these guys, but I do want to say this isn't how valuation works. Garcia was guaranteed more money last winter, was not as removed from his injuries, was coming off a suspect performance trend in 2016 -- and the Braves (and other teams that may have pursued him last winter) had less probability of contention in 2017 than the Twins and other teams have today. It is quite likely that Garcia should return more value in trade now than he did last winter.
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Straightforward, but also seems incomplete. Seth had Burdi as our #19 prospect, and that was before the draft. He was known to have missed most of 2016 with a bone bruise, and then had TJ surgery in May. I could see him being discussed for this trade, but unlikely that his medicals alone would torpedo it. Was he the only top ~30 prospect the Twins were willing to consider dealing? Did the Twins hope to get some salary covered, or get an interesting minor leaguer back in return?
