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  1. TheLeviathan
    Over/Under on when Plouffe is actually DL'd? Wednesday I take over and we see Plouffe again in September.
  2. TheLeviathan
    If Morneau's deal had 5 more years on it, I could sympathize with dumping him. With his current status I just don't see that as necessary - either get good value or hang on to him. Parm is ready, but he'll have a chance in the OF/DH role next year anyway.
  3. TheLeviathan
    yeah the Protected At All Costs vs. Under the Bus in No Time lists would be pretty lengthy. Working hard to deny this is just baffling to me - lots of clubs do this (Ozzy comes to mind) - but that doesn't excuse it as a stupid way of going about your business.
  4. TheLeviathan
    Let me remake the claim - Baker was treated differently by the organization and called out unfairly in the press. His situation was treated differently than Pavano's when you could argue the same error was made but in a lower leverage situation. Baker said over and over again that he was fine, but so did Pavano. But no one questioned why he wasn't "letting it rip". You can take up the "whispers" with Kracinski - but he's more plugged in than you and he was making the "toughness" assertion on radio and implying it in print. It was done - sing "la la la" to yourself all day long but it's reality. You just look like a troll for denying it. The unfairness of handling these two situations is not invented or made up. It's not as severe as what they did to Slowey, but it is unfair. You can argue Baker understands the unfairness because of his own errors on this issue - that's a valid point and I wouldn't take issue with it based on his own quotes in the paper - but what you're denying is just foolish. Trollish, quite frankly.
  5. TheLeviathan
    The point is that this was done to Slowey and Baker, but not Pavano and Capps. It's a typical refrain from this team to throw some players on the bus for just about anything and protect others no matter what. The Twins did not have to say what they did about Baker publicly - they could have handled it the exact same way they did Pavano. The two situations are almost identical except that Baker did it in ST and Pavano did it when the games count. If you're going to mouth off frustrations to the media - then do it fairly. That's not too much to ask. And it's reasonable to think that it may frustrate Baker that he was singled out much like it did Slowey. Disagreeing there is fine and understandable, pretending they didn't handle the Baker thing well is just dumb.
  6. TheLeviathan
    No disagreement - there is some hyperventilating happening in this thread that isn't necessary. I still think Frankie's a headcase I want gone, but this one start neither proves nor disproves anything. It's one start. But let's not make excuses. Having a bad start against a good team and good hitters isn't something to tip your hat too - if anything that would make other teams contending even more wary of him. It's a silly excuse for what was just a bad start, plain and simple.
  7. TheLeviathan
    Are we sure it wasn't what he ate, the weather, or the alignment of the moon as well? And to think, I was going to quip the other day about how long until the soft excuses start rolling up..... He didn't pitch well. It's ok, it isn't the end-all, be-all of what Frankie is, bad starts happen to everyone. Soft excuses for a bad start just sound so damn desperate and silly.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I'm mocking the current around here that being a realist makes you a hopelessly oppressive pessimist. Instead, I guess we should all be naively optimistic about what a great team we have. Nothing with you personally, just a good setup you provided.
  9. TheLeviathan
    So you're saying we should be buyers?
  10. TheLeviathan
    Looked to me like the Astros were going for quantity over quality...I'd probably pass. I think the Twins can get one quality spec for him at the core of the deal - and that should be their aim.
  11. TheLeviathan
    When Pavano did the same things.....did Ryan and Gardy talk about him the same way they did Baker? Or did they characterize that as typical of a gutsy, battling veteran? The organization could have communicated their concerns much more professionally than they did. It's not about talking vs. not talking about it. It's about doing so without throwing the player under the bus. Which didn't happen in Baker's case, but (surprise!) did happen with Pavano.
  12. TheLeviathan
    Ah geez, we're questioning the Twins medical staff again....I'm sure in a few weeks when someone brings this up the people who portray themselves as optimists will pretend this never happened and fall on their sword for the team. The accurate, expedient diagnosis of injury for this club is comical at this point.
  13. TheLeviathan
    Read the quotes above from Thyrlos as well. There was no reason for the organization to say those things publicly and, generally, if a little gets out to the press it is only the tip of a much larger iceberg. I acknowledged Baker's fault in it too, but it doesn't change the way the Twins approached it. You can put your fingers in your ears and sing "la la la", but plenty of information has been put in this thread to back up the fact that the Twins were calling him out for his effort/toughness. If you choose not to accept the reasoning behind it, fine, but don't deny it happened. It did. I get that it's your "bit" to question every assertion everyone makes - but here it is being backed up and you're still denying it. Makes it hard to swallow your skepticism when you're doing it just for the schtick and not because you actually want evidence.
  14. TheLeviathan
    Personally, I'd like to see them extend an offer to Baker. Something along the lines of 3M for next year, 6M for the following year, and a team option at 8M for year three. It's minimal risk for a guy that has arguably been a #2 caliber starter for this team in recent seasons. He's just had significant injury issues, but 3/17 is a pretty minimal investment for the reward. Though I have serious questions about him accepting something like this, it's just what I would offer initially.
  15. TheLeviathan
    DPJ is colorful, but this is what he is referring to: There was some talk in ST about Baker not being "tough" rather than it being an injury. So it did happen, just not to the degree DPJ is suggesting. But enough, as demonstrated here, to catch Baker's attention. Although in other articles he also suggests no hard feelings, that he's to blame as well, and that he hopes to stay here.
  16. TheLeviathan
    So if I start a thread praising the "closer mentality" of Matt Capps, the "veteran presence" of Jamey Carroll, and Ben Revere's "Smiley Factor"....will we officially have jumped the shark here already?
  17. TheLeviathan
    You realize just about half of this sentence is pure, unnecessary gibberish right?
  18. TheLeviathan
    This thread is like a swift kick to the brainstem.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Hopefully this didn't cost us a Delgado/Turner type prospect. Unload him before anyone recognizes the real Frankie again.
  20. TheLeviathan
    God damn people...in context! Sell him if you get "sell high" value and worry about the corner OF later. You also turn a team into the worst in the AL selling Hardy and Young for the mighty package of Oliveros, Jacobsen, and Hoey. Willingham is past his prime, a significant injury risk, and having a career year - if you get sell high value on him - pull that damn trigger and worry about what cheap option plays OF later.
  21. TheLeviathan
    Because they're cheap, under team control, and not breathtakingly obvious "sell high" options?
  22. TheLeviathan
    I'm not saying it makes perfect sense for Texas. I'm simply saying that we can throw around assumptions until we're blue in the face. Hell, he could be ok platooning with Murphy for all you or I know.
  23. TheLeviathan
    You're right, far more feasible that he'll go to the worst team in the AL. This team has David Murphy in LF and Mitch Moreland at 1B and an aging Young. I'm sure they can find ABs in the right situation.
  24. TheLeviathan
    There are always options when you have a DH.
  25. TheLeviathan
    I do think he'd sign here for the right price - but what reason does he have to take less money? Part of the argument people are floating out is that 3/30 is team friendly and therefore below market. I don't know what the market would yield for him, but I know I wouldn't guarantee him anywhere close to 30M. And, on top of that, you can't use reasoning like his success in a large market to justify your contract speculation. Liriano doesn't have to think that and probably won't. He also doesn't have to acknowledge he has sucked for 2 of the last three years. He doesn't have to recognize his ERA+ is still 85. He doesn't have to think anything that we as fans include in the topic.
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