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  1. TheLeviathan
    If they can't find a way to offload Vasquez.....this is going to be an ugly offseason.
  2. TheLeviathan
    Businesses sometimes take a temporary loss in order to reap rewards down the line. The Twins are actively sabotaging their fan base. I'm not suggesting this is real, but go with this for a second: If I were a conspiracy theorist and I thought "What would an organization looking to contract their team do to sabotage their fan loyalty and drive a wedge between their fans and the team?" I'm struggling to think of anything more they would do than what the 2024 Minnesota Twins have done. Slash payroll? Check. Take them off the air for viewership? Check. Ignore roster acquisitions? Check. Say ridiculous, boneheaded things out loud to the public to drive them nuts? A Right-Sized Check. End the season with a bunch of mush mouthed, phony "business" talk? Check. They did everything but triple the beer prices.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Well, on the entire page of about 40 guys I only counted 5. That includes Ben R. as a backup catcher and 13 games in the big leagues by Goodrum this year. That list is really, really bad man. I agree there is some proving to do though. This group that is on the cusp has to hit, if we're not seeing E-Rod hitting well and Festa/Matthews/Varland/SWR/etc taking the next step (among many others) next year....then it's time to move on. I will say this with about 99% certainty though: Whenever Falvey gets fired, whoever takes over for him will have a FAR less daunting task ahead of them than he did.
  4. TheLeviathan
    I've been very critical of their media choices when it comes to TV, but this is the right decision for radio IMO.
  5. TheLeviathan
    Well, the entire line of conversation started because the implication is 8 years is a long time. And it can be....but it's hard not to subtract 2-3 of those years because of just how putrid the organization's talent pool was when they took over. Yeah, they had some guys at the major league level but you can't look at that 2017 list of top prospects and do anything other than cringe. The farm system was really, really bad. Organizational philosophies and outdated practices were really bad. They were essentially starting over below the big league roster, especially on the pitching side. As I said, I think they've been a bit slower than I'd like to get the pitching pipeline figured out and they've made some really bad trades. Replacing them is getting pretty easy to justify. I can also acknowledge that the organization is FAR healthier now than it was when they took over.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I think the rest of your post is very reasonable, but I have to ask: are you seriously arguing that a minor league system headlined by Nick Gordon, Gonsalves, and the rest of those names I don't want to read....qualify as a "deep" farm system? Our organization was a wreck man. That doesn't give them a blank check by any means. The pitching development has not come along as fast as it should've, but they were trying to transform a Model T into a Tesla. System wide. I'm on the edge of saying that we should probably let them go. They are doing the opposite of what I think is wise from a value standpoint(building up hitters that they trade for pitchers, rather than building up a deep stable of pitchers they deal for hitters), but I can't be anything other than appreciative for the work they've done to drag us from bleak times of ten years ago.
  7. TheLeviathan
    They had a few talents at the major league level, but we disagree hard about the talent in that minor league system. That list I posted is a bunch of total no-shows.
  8. TheLeviathan
    I had higher expectations in 2011 than I did for 2024, so I lean more towards that one. That fangraphs chart shows the uncanny nature of 2024 though. So maybe 2011 was more disappointing and 2024 was more shell-shocking?
  9. TheLeviathan
    Exactly, 4-0 in the NFL is no small thing. The Vikings got a lot of bad breaks and still walked out with a win. That interception in the red zone shouldn't have counted. The muffed punt should've never happened. Those were enormous momentum swings. And they still won!
  10. TheLeviathan
    Nothing encapsulates this season like the idea that Royce Lewis gets a "C" and that feels a bit high. In July....who would've thought that?
  11. TheLeviathan
    TD has rules around carrying that forward any more than I did. I'll respect that, but I hope you consider all of Minneapolis' residents as wonderful people and reconsider that entire line of thinking.
  12. TheLeviathan
    The modernizing was a HUGE aspect. But.....you think this was a stocked minor league system? https://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/11/8/13555840/minnesota-twins-top-20-prospects-for-2017 We have very different definitions of what "good" would be then.
  13. TheLeviathan
    Got exactly the ROI I expected.
  14. TheLeviathan
    I don't know how to break this to you.....he gave up out of exasperation. What kind of ROI will I get on my investment in answering? It feels fruitless...but here we go: teams don't sign players to make them money. They sign them to help them win so they make money. If teams believed managers helped them win to the same tune as a star player, they'd pay them like one. But no one does.....because no one believes that. Managers have some value, but they're essentially valued in the same way teams value replacement level players. The money backs that claim up.
  15. TheLeviathan
    Every single word of that is true. Hopefully you can be part of helping change that by not moving goalposts in the future or making up strawmen "defenders" and people who are "personally offended".
  16. TheLeviathan
    If there actually is gatekeeping, it happens so the conversations are engaging and interesting and not redundant griping. That's how you get and retain new people to discuss the team. Look, you're demonstrating the issues in this thread. You haven't engaged in much of any discussion here. I asked you about how knowledgeable we can be about the psyche of the players and you moved the goalposts. You didn't address my question at all. You had 6 people thumbs up a complete non-response. What happened next? I went with it! Tried to have a discussion! My ROI? You then branched to a conversation with ash where you claimed there was a "vehement defense" of Rocco. Then you claimed people are "personally offended by criticism". Where and who you ask? Who knows! You didn't engage in the discussion. Ash then had to ask you 3 times to try and address his point. You continually moved the goal posts. I could go on. THAT is the problem. If what you enjoy is standing on a soap box and rage-hating Rocco...twitter seems like a better platform. You don't want an actual discussion, just people to give you the dopamine rush on those sweet, sweet thumbs up. I guess I thought a discussion board was for, you know, discussing stuff?
  17. TheLeviathan
    We should be fair, at least part of those 8 years was digging their way out of the dusty closet of the previous regimes. They essentially had to turn a Model T into a Tesla. That doesn't excuse many developmental failures they had, but perspective on how far we've come is important. It also shouldn't guarantee them to keep their jobs if they can't take it past the level they have so far.
  18. TheLeviathan
    I mean...if that doesn't focus your rage I don't know what will.
  19. TheLeviathan
    I'll be right there with you if the failures from this year don't spark revisions.
  20. TheLeviathan
    I think there should be more conversation on this forum about what has gone wrong with Royce. Julien. Lee. The bullpen. Those things need not have Rocco's name in them at all. Or maybe articles on how we get Lee, Matthews, Festa, etc. more ready for next year. Or the developmental failures for defensive readiness from young players. The lack of any footspeed in this organization. I just don't think everything has to come down to any one thing We could compartmentalize a bit.
  21. TheLeviathan
    I'm not sure he will. I do want the team to have strong core beliefs and work from those and not be haphazard in their approach. But I agree with what I think you're getting at about being flexible and willing to change when something doesn't work.
  22. TheLeviathan
    Except it was literally happening when they had the 2nd best record in the AL too. And as Squirrell pointed out, when people wanted to just shift the subject elsewhere (if nothing else to keep things from being monotonous) they got attacked as defenders (as you did here) and their posts attacked repeatedly with strawman attacks (like the Ravens example above). Perhaps a better level of discourse could happen that includes, but isn't limited to, criticism of Rocco? I'll be here for it next season. Hopefully it's possible.
  23. TheLeviathan
    I mean, it hasn't just been this week. It's been months of it. Burnout, man. People want a chance to read something else other than repetitive complaints. But you claimed there are defenders. Who is championing Rocco? And I'll help you out....no one is! It's this weird need for the Rocco Hate Cult to think they're fighting some valiant battle for the hearts and minds of Twins fans. All anyone wants is to talk about the trees without Rocco being part of it. Just...just let me have the trees man. I want to talk Rocco-free about the trees! (To stick way too long with a joke analogy)
  24. TheLeviathan
    I appreciate this pull tabs joke. Easily the most inexplicable phenomena I'm aware of about Minnesota.
  25. TheLeviathan
    At some point, if it hampers discussion and it's all anyone talks about.....it's going to irritate people. As Squirrel pointed out, they've literally had to condense Rocco gripe threads because of sheer volume. A message board should have interesting discussions. I would suggest the word "interesting" gets clobbered if it's always the same. I could post a thread about how poorly maintained the trees in CF are and the first response would be "BLARG! Rocco!!". But you can at least see why your insinuation of indifference = defender is unfair....right?
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