The problem with your argument John is that you're talking organizational and most of us are talking about the big league club. The farm is doing nicely for many reasons, but the big league club had a horrific season. Just change a few things here and it looks bleak: - 4 that took a clear step forward - Deduno, Fien, Dozier, Perkins - 3 that stayed on track - Mauer, Burton, Pelfrey - 10 that didn't - Worley, Diamond, Hicks, Willingham, Doumit, Morneau, Plouffe, Parmelee, Hendricks, Correia Those 10 are all players we had reasonable hopes would take a step forward in their ability to contribute or at least generate some sort of value. It was pretty much a total failure on those fronts.