The whole problem is you are arguing a scarecrow. My point has been all along that the nations surrounding Israel are archaic and stuck in centuries old blood feuds. You made it about religion. I was consistent in talking about leadership as well, not the general populace. Religion plays a factor, usually as a tool of the leadership to justify archaic s practice. Whether it is "true" to the religion or not is irrelevant to me. All religions could use that escape clause and I don't buy it for them either. it boils down to this for me: If Israel gave up all lands not originally given to them, demilitarized, opened their borders, and shared economic resources.....would they have peace? And the answer, in my eyes to anyone not living in a dream world, is no...they wouldn't. If, on the other hand, Their neighbors committed 100% to eradicating terrorism, compromising on territory, and disavowing all acts of hostility....would there be peace? Yes, I think there would be. Thats the whole point. Blame Israel when deserved, but don't kid yourself about where the problems truly lie.