TheLeviathan
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Damn, that was an interesting read.
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No one forces them to hit but the team that decides to play them if they're a bad hitter. And even if they are a bad hitter, let's look at the actual numbers of this comparison you keep trotting out: Simmons is .170 points of OBP better than the average pitcher. The average pitcher OPS is 317 - meaning Simmons is roughly twice as good at that. So you really think that's anywhere near the same thing? Pedro Florimon here in MN was still .300 points better than the average pitcher. It's just a really poor argument to think you can compare any weak hitting position player to a pitcher and think it's even in the same ballpark. It's not. Even the worst hitters blow away the average pitchers. There's a word for that: incompetent. It's akin to a nose tackle on a fly pattern. The only thing well rounded about that is the NT's waist line. And yet the NL is doing that every game with a bunch of stiffs with a stick.
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Right, but part of that is because they've been identified as a much superior pitcher. Nose tackles are amazing athletes, but we don't run them on vertical routes so they are "well rounded" - we have them do what their athletic skill set is best suited for. Marching pitchers out to hit is no less absurd than marching hitters out to pitch. Guys are hitters for a reason. Guys are pitchers for a reason. Trying to make them do both is just unnecessary.
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This isn't just about shortcomings. This is like asking someone to go up to pay QB left-handed. Or asking a nose tackle to run a fly route. It's deliberately highlighting their shortcoming multiple times a game. DH's aren't perfect, no one is asking for that. We don't need to watch perfect players, but we should at least watch competent ones. Many of the pitchers we see hit would barely suffice as beer league softball players.
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You do realize this is a 99% true statement for pitchers too....right? The only difference is that those DH guys actually get a hit or a homerun in-between the strikeouts rather than a sacrifice bunt. Yes, this is a matter of taste, but I always kind of chuckle at how far NL guys will go to dress up the reality of pitchers hitting. Maybe you just have to not see it every day to realize how putrid it really is when you are forced to see it again.
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200 points of OBP is also the difference between Bryce Harper and Torii Hunter. Or Garret Jones. Or 2015 Byron Buxton. So, no, I would consider that a rather large difference over the course of time.
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I could be wrong, but is the Dassey thing because of his recanting and not testifying against Avery? It seems to me he was going to get a much lighter sentence if not for recanting. It could be they threw the book at him for not cooperating. Not that I endorse such a thing, that kid was painfully stupid.
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I think he goes with Jerry Springer.
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Or, in this case, not just contradict their findings but outright accuse them of manipulating the facts. There are perfectly understandable reasons for judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys, and law enforcement to all be on the same page...but it is so freaking important that they NOT be.
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The price of that strategy (which others have pointed out is basically more like a recycled routine) is an abyss of offense every 9 turns. All the "positives" people point out are only required because of one massive negative suck-hole of hitting every nine turns. Proponents of pitchers batting just overlook that to stress what they like.
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I highly doubt with the way sports are changing that we would have avoided pitchers specializing in pitching. The implementation of the DH isn't the only reason we've seen that reduction, athletes in general try now more than ever to hone their particular craft. We're not going to go back to the Babe Ruth days, things are what they are and as it is now - what possible justification is there for continuing to march up automatic outs?
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Other teams choose to put them there as strategy, the rules of the game don't force them there, that is a huge difference. We can lament the loss of hitting pitchers but it's a reality that isn't changing. As long as pitchers are this useless at it....there isn't much of a justification to keep it short of the "we've always done it" fallacy.
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Police reports back her up to some degree but it's another weird angle. I think we are in a weird age of presumption. We have the vast mJority of people rushing to judge innocence or guilt on even the most flimsy of evidence. Michael Brown's eyewitnesses were a total joke and forensics showed the initial narrative most people heard (and Drew conclusions from) was total nonsense. Here we have a one sided documentary that is leading people, based on less than ten minutes of screen time, to build elaborate reddit threads to the guilt of her ex boyfriend. We seem so predisposed to take whatever side aligns with our politics or sympathies that facts and patience and good sense be damned. It's terrible. For me there just isn't enough to know beyond the fact that a new trial seems warranted, anything beyond that I can't say. What I take away is how badly we need to reform the way we defend the presumption of innocence and the importance of the various facets of our justice system to demand integrity of each other and of those accused.
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Well especially the way they handled the confession of Dassey publicly. Whatever else you think of it, it's totally unacceptable to sit there and give that to the public in that fashion. (If at all) The prosecution in this case, even above and beyond what was likely some police misdeeds, is a story in its own right.
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I just can't get behind this. It doesn't make a sport more "well rounded" to force someone to do something they can't do by the rules of the game. We're forced to watch Shaq shoot free throws because of events in the game. We're forced to watch pitchers hit because of the rules of the game. We have an existing alternative to avoid this and yet choose any way to make inept men stand up there hoping to successfully get out most of the time.
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Yeah, this thing should've happened in LaCrosse or Eau Claire or something, having it right in their own backyard was a really unfair and bad idea.
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Would you be even open to it if I did? I mean, you've completely butchered every post in here that isn't saying "Let's light our torches and pitchforks and go free this clearly innocent man!!!!" So, yeah, I don't see the point in offering up a contention to that viewpoint.
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Then use the football analogy. It's literally like forcing your QB to punt because he's one of the 11 on the field. If the pitchers could actually hit I'd be fine with it, but most of them hit no better than some random person plucked from the crowd. It's more pathetic than anything.
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Yeah, I don't trust the cops at all. I wonder how this was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I wonder how Theresa was actually killed. But I wonder about those things because I lack anything more than a one-sided portrayal to make up my mind. And even if I had both sides in this case I'm not sure I could figure it out. Which seems to put me in agreement with Avery's defense attorneys. So, yeah, not sure what your deal is right now man but you might want to back it down a bit.
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I think you've amply demonstrated that a discussion on the matter is not of interest to you. That's fine, it just doesn't make it all that enticing to try and tell you much of anything on the matter.
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You might just want to back down a bit, you keep speaking as if you've got all the answers when the truth is that virtually no one has the answers. I personally don't mind if someone believes he's innocent, as I said, I really don't have a clue. It's incredibly difficult to piece together what happened here. It seems to be a poorly made case against him, but so was the case against OJ and that doesn't mean he's innocent. Pushing for a new trial is even a fair request. Pushing to exonerate him on the basis of a bunch of conspiracy theories and guesses (ooooh....Dassey's dad sure looked fishy....I bet it's him!) is freaking preposterous.
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Man I hope this happens, pitchers batting is just goofy. It's like requiring your running back to punt or your goalie to try in a shoot-out.
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Glen Quagmire: The Closer Conundrum
TheLeviathan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Relief pitchers are some of the most rigid and fragile employees in the world is what I've learned from the last few days. I understand having a role helps you prepare, but these roles aren't all that radically different. It'd be nice to start breaking this mentality in the minors so that a bullpen can be maximized to the fullest. -
Except his first interview which is not the same. Look, I get the West Memphis Three case and the pressure put on in confessions. There are a lot of things wrong with the way Dassey got rail-roaded, but there is far too much being made of one snippet of a larger context. And the larger context here does matter. Again, it can be possible that the cops both railroaded Dassey and his confession legitimately points to his and Avery's involvement. Frankly, I have no clue what happened because this whole thing is a mess. Even his defense attorney's admit they don't have a clue how this went down and acknowledge that it might well have been Avery. Read the article Brock posted, it's a brilliant recap as to why you shouldn't take this TV show as a serious statement of the facts on this case. What it does do is give us a glimpse into how the system can be so easily rigged to push whatever agenda the police want and how so many people don't have a real chance to beat it no matter how innocent they are. That's what matters. The details on his guilt or innocence (the things that matter to actually make a case one way or the other) are lost in the agenda of the film-makers.
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I think more should be made of the fact that there were multiple domestic disturbances at the place and evidence of domestic abuse. Choking, for example, is considered a strong indicator of the capacity to commit murder. So his checkered history of behavior should be more relevant. He's not just some easy going idiot, which is what I think most of the documentary portrayed him as.
