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  1. TheLeviathan
    Except you used the easy examples. What about when I ask to borrow a dollar, you say yes, and then the next day there are police at my door saying I took a dollar without your permission? Now, as these policies are being enforced, I now have to (somehow) prove that you indeed gave me permission verbally after the fact despite the fact that you are adamantly claiming that you did not. I don't believe you've really looked at the full ramifications of these laws. They are, essentially, a reversal of the cornerstone of our justice system. I'm all about the more important shifting of how we view sex and consent. But these sorts of mandates and laws are not helpful.
  2. TheLeviathan
    I think what we might be seeing is the culmination of the EOAA overstepping a few years ago with the pressure to put affirmative consent practices in place on campuses. Back when it happened there were a lot of people arguing that it was basically subverting due process.
  3. TheLeviathan
    Thanks for adding that Ben, I think you have as much or more insight into this than any of us. This "process", whatever it was that got us here, stinks of politics and appearances. I think the players are right to demand to know how it got to this point. None of the comments so far seem to indicate this was anything other than a blindside. Which should never happen if a sound process for this is followed/.
  4. TheLeviathan
    So you're going to parse his words that closely? C'mon man. I think Chief already addressed with you how absurd that is. He's saying that the suspensions aren't fair because the process wasn't fair. I would hope that the University had done more in the investigation to listen to all sides. It certainly doesn't sound like these guys were part of hte investigation. It sounds like they got blindsided by this two months after they thought they had served their punishment. That seems, to me, like a crappy process.
  5. TheLeviathan
    They're protesting the manner of the suspensions being handed out as well. “Effective immediately, we will boycott all football activities,” Wolitarsky said to a large media throng in the University of Minnesota’s indoor practice facility. “The boycott will remain in effect until due process is followed, and the suspensions for all 10 players involved are lifted.” And just because the University isn't bound by the same process as the courts doesn't mean it's in the right. I would hope, for something this serious, that there would be something more akin to the process of the courts than some unchecked, on-high tribunal making the calls. If the University is going to declare their behavior inappropriate and suspend them because that's their right to do without a better process in place, the athletes can use what rights they have (boycotting) to send the message that they don't approve of the process. And, depending upon how this went down, I'm not so sure I disagree with them.
  6. TheLeviathan
    I think you're getting caught in the weeds here a bit. They don't have to stand up for the act to stand up for what they think is right. The ACLU has stood up for the KKK because they thought their rights were being violated. And there are many similar examples. The players made it clear that what they take issue with is the fact that their teammates basically had their fates decided by a tribunal with no ability to defend themselves. We can assume they are rapists and still think that's a bad idea that we might want to speak out about. Sometimes you side with someone you despise, or who did something you despise, because allowing unfair treatment to them opens a door that might mean you're next. Just like ignoring violations of the KKK's first amendment rights jeopardizes all first amendment rights, allowing the University to be judge, jury, and executioner without any kind of fair process also jeopardizes all college students. We're going to have to let this thing play out, but I don't think they are necessarily wrong at this point given what we know.
  7. TheLeviathan
    It's possible that video prevented criminal charges but also emboldened the university. Depending on the content of it. It seems to be the case at this point. Affirmative consent sort of encourages filming as a defense. However unsettLing as that may be.
  8. TheLeviathan
    Well, that boycott threat basically guaranteed there is a lot more coming. Those that feel they are being wronged are going to air whatever they've been told publicly. The players threatening to boycott probably are hearing one side of the story and feeling justified standing up for their teammates. The video is going to be central to a lot of this too as it seems to contradict her statements. (At least enough so that criminal prosecution wasn't pursued) But it may be enough to justify the University's actions. This is only getting started.
  9. TheLeviathan
    I wonder if this is going to tie back into the affirmative consent issue. I appreciate that the school has remained tight lipped about the whats and the whys. I worry it won't stay that way and what we find behind all this will be even uglier.
  10. TheLeviathan
    I'd be curious if anyone had information about this. I did a quick search but everything was very shallow in what they presented. This story is really crappy, I hope due process and justice is available for all involved. Whatever that might mean for each individual involved.
  11. TheLeviathan
    Well played.
  12. TheLeviathan
    I have concluded you are PA's mother. Only conclusion I can use to make sense of this post.
  13. TheLeviathan
    Whelp, found a way to like him less. Didn't think that was possible.
  14. TheLeviathan
    Quite a bit beyond acceptable, so yes.
  15. TheLeviathan
    I'm fine with using that as leverage.
  16. TheLeviathan
    Anyone still want to hang on to Ervin Santana in this trade market? No? Me either. Some of us have been pleading for the Twins to sell. It looks like the awful FA market is ramping the seller's market even higher than anyone could have dreamed. Sell!
  17. TheLeviathan
    That Nats-Sox deal stinks of blackmail. It's the only explanation I have.
  18. TheLeviathan
    Desmond to play 1B, well into his thirties, for that much money, and losing the 11th pick? I'm not sure my fandom could survive that move.
  19. TheLeviathan
    Well, I hope we're always careful,
  20. TheLeviathan
    As a Twins fan I want them to win. I don't care that Dozier is a nice guy or the face of the team. I want wins. Short of dealing Dozier, i don't know how we right this ship for quite awhile.
  21. TheLeviathan
    The longer we go without a deal, the more my Minnesota-induced sports pessimism ramps up.
  22. TheLeviathan
    Was more my pessimism as a Minnesota fan speaking than anything.
  23. TheLeviathan
    This is all setting us up for a massive let down when Dozier is not dealt for a franchise saving trade.
  24. TheLeviathan
    Let's do this!
  25. TheLeviathan
    No one move is going to be "enough". If we're waiting to cross that threshold we might as well shut the place down for a few years. We can only evaluate what has happened so far and that is all that was being discussed. The very nature of the phrase "strong start" indicates an evaluation of what has taken place, with the expectation that more will take place. (Otherwise we'd not call it a "start") I'd suggest Nick isn't in need of rephrasing himself at all, you're taking the comments beyond their intended scope. We all expect more to be done. We can also appreciate a really nice start on the way to that.
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