PseudoSABR
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The point is - you don't get to demand reasons, dismiss them, and say "Nope, wrong answer, you're right of center". If you want to make that charge, be prepared to defend it. You don't get to not like the answer and then declare everyone else has the wrong perspective without at least attempting to defend your position. You absolutely had that coming after twice demanding that the opposing viewpoint wasn't detailed enough and then, when it was, you start throwing smug grenades and labels around. The reason I didn't get more detailed in the beginning is because I know anything other than abstractions with you is a waste of time. You fall back on "well you're a conservative, so that's why you're wrong" line of argument. You and other liberals don't want resentment? Stop doing exactly that!!!! I've met a handful of liberals I could actually say "alright, here's the problem, what do we do" without it turning into a smug ****fest about stupid conservatives rather than anything pragmatic. It easily builds resentment. Look I'm not dismissing an argument because it comes from a center-right person. I'm dismissing an argument because I find it unconvincing. I don't see where I'm being smug, this justified resentment of yours is totally invented.
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I agree with the sentiment, not with the argument. If you want to change the country you live in, you can't pitch your sails on weak arguments, however true the spirit of them may be.
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1) Revere and Herrmann to Atlanta for Tommy Hanson. 2) Sign Chris Young to a two year 14 million deal, with a vesting option. 3) Resign Scott Baker to a one year 6 million deal, with a vesting/team option. 4) Sign Kelly Johnson to a two year 12 million dollar deal. 5) Sign Mike Pelfry, Joey Devine, Randy Messenger, Casey McGehee and others to >2mil or minor league contracts. Rotation 1) Hanson - 4.5? 2) Young - 7 3) Baker - 6 4) Diamond - .5 5) Pelfry/Blackburn/Gibson/Hendricks -.5 Bullpen CL - Perkins - 2.5 SU - Burton - 1 SU - Duesing - 1 RP - Devine - 1 RP - Fien - .5 RP - Guerra - .5 RP - Burnett - .5 RP - **** loads of minor league arms Lineup CF - Span - 4.5 C - Mauer - 23 LF - Willingham - 7 1B - Morneau - 14 2B - Johnson - 6 DH - Doumit - 3 3B - Plouffe - .5 RF - Parmelee - .5 SS - Florimon/Dozier - .5 Bench OF - Mastroianni - .5 IF - Escobar - .5 IF - Carroll - 3.75 C - Drew - .5 ~90 million
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Sadly, we don't have a legacy.
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So you want specifics, get them, and then whine some more? Cmon man, this is pathetic. As drjim rightly pointed out, it's not just the tax hikes, attack the wealthy rhetoric - it's the combination of that with weak proposals to balance it with spending cuts. You believe what you are isn't as far left as it is and it skews your opinion and then you're preaching to all of us about how blind we are about where things stand. It's smug, annoying, and (sadly) predictable. It's yet another demonstration of why I just can't stand liberalism no matter how many points I might agree with it on. At least many a-hole conservatives can blame an all-powerful god for making them idiots, most liberals have only their own smug, head-up-their-butt naivety to blame. Excellent demo for us though, yeesh. Look, you might recall, that this debate started with me defending that you weren't Republican. I'm a liberal. I think Obama is pretty moderate. Disagree, it's fine; don't be a weirdo about it. For my part, I'm not seeing a convincing argument that Obama isn't a moderate Democrat, if left-of-center classifies as liberal so be it. Honestly, Levi, you move the goal posts and than declare victory. You froth at the opportunity to call me (or anyone) a naive liberal. It's crap-logic that labels ethical integrity as naivete. Maybe your hyperbolic defensive nature is fooling some people, but--dear god--it can't be fooling everybody. It's in moments like these that an unreasonable resentment of liberalism shines through. Maybe it doesn't come from some right wing ethic, but it certainly is hellish.
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Left of center looks identical to left of right, which is part of the problem. Are even conservatives really against tax hikes for those making more than 250k? Government money is invested in oil and coal, why not wind? (**** ethanol.) In any case, the prominence of far right ideology has pulled the center to the right. That gay marriage, funding wind, and taxing the super wealthy are even up for debate demonstrates the center-right core of American politics. People confuse balance with objectivity; there's a lot of rhetoric from the right that's totally illegitimate--that the legitimate argument gets colored as left is super problematic.
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I think this is fair. But I think to even begin to do social welfare in sustainable way will cost a lot more money in the short term. We need good ideas, not arbitrary sacrifices from both sides. The system needs to be overhauled, not renegotiated.
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Honestly, this is pretty abstract. You're generalizing. When I pressed Levi for specifics, he offered the bailouts. Whatever we might want to believe about Obama's liberalism personally or rhetorically, it really doesn't manifest itself in his policy. An old friend said of Clinton: "He's the best Republican president we've ever had." We live in a center-right country, and I guess I forget that sometimes. I'm fine with disagreeing on these issues.
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I would argue you are looking for it to be uncaring rather than looking at it practically. Sometimes it's appropriate to call it uncaring, but not every attempt to reduce government is an effort to crap on the little guy. As I've said before, sometimes the left-wing agenda is far more insulting in the guise of being "caring". We should get past that as a country and as individuals and talk realistically about these issues. Oh, you wanted to talk realistically? Well, then.
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Gibson gives up a homer to the first batter. He'll fit right in.
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If that's true then I hope the next time the issue comes up you avoid painting any position in opposition to the current system as vile. You have done that in the past Pseudo and, as I've said then, it's the same problem we see nationally. It's hard to have reasonable ideas on the table when even wheeling out the table makes you an uncaring, conservative prick. Look, certain positions seem unnecessarily uncaring to me. That's my opinion not of you overall or of conservatism in general, but there's certainly something that bubbles up from conservative posters that seem needless and even vulgar on issues of social welfare. I don't think I'm alone in this assessment.
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Listen to yourself. I'm not doing those things. For the record I think the welfare and education system are crap; but I believe we can do both in ethical, cost-effective, and efficacious matter. That doesn't make me crazy, extreme, or hot-headed.
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No one's calling you a monster, and no ones endorsing care-bareism. That you paint anyone, me, Obama, liberals, that way is symptomatic of what I'm talking about. We all agree with pragmatism but your notion of realism is based on your experiential and ideological opinion. It's just your version of what's realistic. Obviously, I disagree. I think my view of how to structure society is completely realistic and not at all hippie-stupid pollyanneish. I fully acknowledge that Obama is left of center, but not liberal, and I agree I'm totally further left than Obama. There's no misperception there.
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Your post is totally beiled not by realism, but by conservatism. I'm sure it's obvious to everyone except for you. The notion that some people are just too stupid to help is scary right wing; as if, stupidity isn't also an unlucky or unfortunate circumstance. As a liberal, I'm not interested in babying anyone, but I don't want them to become hobos either. But please, I don't want to debate these issues. But your viewpoint isn't objective it comes from the vantage of real conservative cynicism. I think that your willingness to paint Obama as a hidden liberal is also evidence of your deep rooted conservative values, which is just fine; not sure why it's hard for you to acknowledge. Also claiming realism and objectivism seems totally clownish and below you, honestly.
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I think you're severely underselling Johnson and Drew who will both get more dollars and years. Bedard too. That said, I need to put my own plan.
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Ben, how do they plan to measure merit? If it's by test scores--that's troublesome. What's the proposal number? Your thoughts?
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Right. Haren actually has value, but the Angels so poorly played their hand that they were willing to take whoknows Marmol in return. Pfft. -
How about everything associated with the bailouts? Not that Republicans wouldn't have done it to, but it was more the methods behind it. I'm hardly "far right" about people. Unless you consider not being a pollyanna "far right". I'm just realistic about people, if we spent more time doing that we might really make some progress. Compassion doesn't have to end because you acknowledge the limitations of humanity and refuse to indulge them. You just change your orientation. That underlying assumption (compassion = indulging) is a major reason why we have so many problems with education and social welfare. And that foundational belief has flooded left-wing thinking to the point of making it so obnoxious and counter-productive that I rail against it every opportunity I have. Everyone thinks they are being realistic. It's why they believe what they believe. I could give a **** about compassion in and of itself; it's about giving people the means to provide for themselves. I think government has a role and a responsibility in providing those means; my sense is your less sure if such means are worth the effort. It's fine and perfectly reasonable that you have some cynicism about the spirit of humanity; but that paints you pretty far right. Downplaying our responsibility to our fellow mankind is precisely the underlying assumptions I'm talking about. I don't want to get into it with you, but you start with a pretty conservative notion of why people fail, about why people are poor.
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Then the quote should have been: Sources are telling me that Baker has a 3 year deal with the Twins but it is not quite finalized. Expect an announcement within a few days. Oh I agree. I was being somewhat sarcastic.
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It's possible that thyros' source overstated how done the deal actually was. Even a source gets some pleasure about being right about something before anyone else, even before there's something to actually be right about.
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Anyone think Romney can win it? Looks like the Dems will retain control of the Senate, but may actually lose seats in the House. Are there any state propositions that people are paying attention to?
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That's kind of what I think about you claiming to be a libertarian independent when I really think you are a republican. Maybe it's just that you feel it necessary to play devil's advocate to Pseudo's democrat but I've really heard nothing from you that doesn't reek of republican. It's all a matter of perspective and I don't think Obama is as liberal as you claim. I wouldn't ever call Levi a Republican, but he's certainly far right in some of his underlying assumptions about politics and people. To his credit, he's not a sucker at all for the Republican schmucks.
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Obama isn't moderate. That's not coming from a conservative, that's coming from a libertarian independent. He's far more liberal than Clinton. Clinton was probably the last sensible, moderate President we've had. There's a reason why Obama is parading him around to do the heavy lifting. I appreciate Obama being tough on the terrorism angle in terms of military action, but the guy still talks like a liberal. He tries really hard to hide it, but it's there. This country is in genuine need of someone who won't just talk it come the main election cycle, we need someone who's no-nonsense and common sense to the core. Once again we don't get that choice. Let's see some policy that backs up Obama as a liberal. Student loan reform? Repealing DADT? I'm a liberal and largely, I've been disappointed with his progressivism.
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This country could use an Ike right now. Too bad that neither party is interested in nominating a moderate who blurs party lines. I think that's unfair. I think both Clinton and Obama are pretty moderate Dems. Afterall the healthcare plan was a conservative idea. With the obstinance of Congressional Republicans a more moderate Democrat in the Whitehouse would hardly matter.
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Twins went after Ervin Santana, looking at Haren
PseudoSABR replied to phalvorson's topic in Minnesota Twins Talk
It'd be akin to the option if he accepts. 12 mil arb plus the 3.5 mil decline kicker....
