I'd like to add some thoughts to the recent discussion. I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself; I do however have deep-seated investment in creating a fruitful place for intellectual discussion about baseball. On stupidity. My problem is two fold. Firstly, I feel there's an issue of extremism. Not just the language of words like 'stupid' (and its more palatable euphemisms), but the actual position held behind the use of such words is extreme--such language (and position) seek to dismiss alternative points of view not only as different, or simply wrong, but mentally deficient, as if the opinion has no business being held by thoughtful, respectful people whatsoever (godforbid). The position is always already inflammatory because it is intentionally dismissive. More, extremist positions not only alienate those who disagree with you, but also those who partially (even mostly) agree with you. Posters who attempt to draw comments back towards even-handedness are posited as oppositional due to the entrenched position (in this case, that the Twins (and those who agree with them) are apriori thestupid.) Secondly, there's something inherently lazy in calling something stupid. One of my problems with eager judgments of the front office is the assumption that we (posters on this forum) operate with the same access to quantity/quality of information as the Twins do. We never know the full story--especially, (and frustratingly) as close to the vest the Twins run their operation. We have to accept that there's many reasonable paths to take in any one decision when running a baseball (or any) operation; rarely are decisions out-and-out mentally deficient. Calling any one thing the Twins do stupid is a judgment based on an incomplete information, and more the judgment lacks precision and explanation. While many have a gut feeling the Twins mismanage their operation and bilk their consumers, the evidence is always circumstantial and incomplete. Many are eager to formulate a pattern--and are quick to say, look, here's more evidence of their incompetence--even if such evidence is specious, a square peg in the round (pigeon) hole of one cast-in-dye opinion. The thing is even if such posters turn out right; the basis and certainty was not on the evidence as is--but on a hunch; such posters seems to make a 'bet' that they are correct (and they may well turn out to be), but such thinking isn't going to elicit a discussion (and that's why we are here, to discuss, not to be right). I think we should take a little introspection as to why we want to dismiss any opinions or actions (as that is the purpose of using a word like stupid). Indeed, do we tend to Troll those who disagree with us? I know in the past, I behaved in such a way, as to suggest my opinion was a foregone conclusion and those that didn't hold it were some how obviously deficient. Sometimes, our desire to post is rooted in the reaction that we want from it. If the moderators don't intervene in thestupid discussion, posters like me will be compeled to rehash the extremism, inflammatory-ness, and laziness of such positions. And that's just a lot of hot air and not really about baseball. -- This said, I've been pleased with the shape of discourse on the board since this topic began some months ago; the notions of exclusivity, for my part, have totally ameliorated. I'd like to thank the moderators for the continued fine job they do.