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Also to the people listing off all the FA next off-season, with the exception of 2 or 3 I think there is a legit chance that Hughes is better than the rest, the Santana signing won't really stop them from hopefully being able to extend Hughes a few more years.
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Luckily none of those guys have no trade clauses
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True, now he just has to worry about not being the franchise's biggest free agent bust in history . Ultimately I think Nolasco will be fine the rest of his time in Minnesota (or wherever he gets traded to). Nothing spectacular, but good enough to hold down the #4 spot here or somewhere.
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I don't get this whole "Santana to stay healthy" thing that's going around. The guy has been like 99% as healthy as a starting pitcher in the majors could have been during his career.
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and Pelfrey
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They can still go after any of those guys....
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What are you talking about? What "Ace" at this point can they go after? I'm not sure giving Lester 160 million would be anything close to a wise decision for this ballclub. Zimmerman? I don't want to give up the pieces it takes to get him. The Santana signing doesn't stop them for going after an ace on the market in 2016, 2017 etc, hell it doesn't even stop them now (though they won't, nor would have anyways)
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I think a lot of the hesitation/hate about Santana signing has to do with Nolasco, which I don't think is very fair. Santana isn't taking a deserving rotation spot away from anyone, Santana himself is a legit/good starting major league pitcher who would find himself in the starting 5 for at least 27 or 28 of major league teams. Nolasco is the one who may/may not be taking a deserved spot, if he pitches like last year then he certainly is a burden, if he can get back to his career norms he suddenly becomes an asset as either a middle of the rotation guy on the roster or someone you can likely unload in a trade if need be. (eating 8 million or so of his contract if need be would hardly kill you)
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Start one in the pen and one in the rotation. More than likely both will have ample ML starts under their belts a couple months into the 2015 season. If they don't then the Twins suddenly find themselves in a possible enviable position.
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Twins Select JR Graham, Lose Gilmartin
DaveW replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Buscher, I remember when Nick N used to proclaim he was the future of 3rd for the Twins -
Twins Select JR Graham, Lose Gilmartin
DaveW replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'm not sure I really buy into this "you must have a lefty in the rotation at all costs" thought that has been prevalent in baseball for seemingly forever. Yes, having a dominating front of the rotation LHP is the gold standard in baseball commodity's, but if we are talking about a #5/AAAA back of the rotation type, I don't see a real advantage in keeping the LHP over the RHP. I'm not saying Gilmartin is automatically a AAAA type, just at this point I don't think the fact that he is a LHP should save him. -
Twins Select JR Graham, Lose Gilmartin
DaveW replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Excited is the wrong word, but just because he doesn't "stick" in the majors for a full season may or may not have much to do with his current or future potential. -
Another pitcher beyond Santana? I agree with that. I feel good about Hughes-Santana-Gibson-Nolasco and keeping one spot open. Much more appealing to me then: Hughes-Gibson-Nolasco and then two question marks (not to mention Nolasco is a question mark himself) I want to see him up as well, but what if they bring him up in June after the deadline to gain an extra controllable year? Would that REALLY be the end of the world? Especially if May and the rest of the rotation are pitching well?
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He will get his chances, signing Santana doesn't effect his ability to earn a spot out of ST. I just don't think you can slot him or really any rookie in December into the rotation for the full season and be confident. He can compete with May and Milone for the 5th spot.
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Then give him the 5th spot! That spot is still wide open IMO unless you think May is a shoe in. Let May start out in the pen if need be, or have May start and Meyer in the pen. If both prove to be legit effective major league starting pitchers then you suddenly have a great problem on your hands as you can literally trade any of your pitchers for help in other areas (whether that be Nolasco, Gibson, May etc)
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If Nolasco is pitching good enough to remain in the rotation, then he is pitching good enough to be traded fairly easily (even if you have to eat a couple million). Santana could be moved as well. The Twins have been Rocketpig awful in the SP department for several years now, I think its foolish to suddenly worry that they will have an over abundance of arms in the next couple years. The saying "you can never have enough pitching" is universally true IMO, especially when coming off back to back to back embarrassing years.
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The way it would shape up now: Hughes-Santana-Gibson-Nolasco. I still see one spot open for May/Meyer/Milone/Pelfrey to compete for.
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I don't think Meyer has earned a starting job out of spring training yet, at if history has taught us anything, especially with the Twins, it's that there will likely be at least 2 ineffective/injured pitchers at some point thus giving Meyer ample opportunity.
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That is a flawed and irrelevant argument. A rotation has 5 guys, Santana has nothing to do with Meyer's spot or future spot in the rotation. That's like signing an OF for 7 million (Cuddyer?) and saying "Please show me how Cuddyer etc will be 7 million dollars better then Buxton"
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Yeah, Santana has pretty much been as healthy as a starting pitcher in MLB can possibly be (knock on wood...twice), if there is anything close to a significant UCL injury I'm sure the Twins and others would stay away or not offer 3-4 years.
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If they get it done for 4/65 I will be pretty damn pleased. Yes, he isn't the "ace" everyone dreams for, but for 15 mil a year you are getting a guy who is dependable, has a long history of success in the AL and will keep you in ballgames. To the people complaining about signing a 32 year old...that's just the nature of the game, any good to great younger pitcher 27-29 is either locked up, uber expensive or has a lot of red flags (injuries, ineffectiveness etc) The Twins rotation was still a dumpster fire last year, getting a guy who can slot in as a really nice #3 (or a poor mans ace until one of Meyer etc step up) is a good move for this club that will hardly hamstring the future. This also opens the door to possibly moving Nolasco if he can regain his form, or being able to move one of the young pitchers like Gibson to fill an additional hole.
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$200 Million is the New $100 Million
DaveW replied to Jon Marthaler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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I still think Santana sees at least 25-30 games in CF this year. Dozier should be close to untouchable (unless someone blows you away with a controllable #2 upside type pitcher) I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade Escobar as well, especially after the disasters we have seen at SS over the past 10-15 years as Twins fans. Anything other than a hard throwing starter, a young catcher or a legit big hitting bat is of no real interest to me.
