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  1. If that is true (which I don't doubt) that highlights something very, very, very wrong in the thinking of this front office.
  2. Agree on the most part, but I think Nishioka was going to be terrible regardless of the leg break or not, he clearly had no business playing SS in the majors and was completely lost at the plate. But yeah, you are correct, his contract was small, but the real problem was shipping off Hardy (who in all fairness had a great season for Baltimore, before one bad, one good and several more bad ones) Lastly: Good points on the Pelfrey, Blackburn etc signings, just proves my point about rewarding and gravitating towards mediocrity.
  3. If everything breaks right in regards to Rosario, Buxton and Kepler? Yeah then Hicks is a 4th OF (but prob not until mid to late 2015 at the very earliest) but rarely do things break right in every scenario, especially when you are talking about three very young players in Rosario, Buxton and Kepler. Again, the problem isn't trading Hicks, the problem is getting a low upside/bad value guy in return for him. It sucks even more that really there was no immediate need to just trade Hicks for anything! Buxton and Kepler are more than likely going to start in AAA anyways, which would have left you with an OF of- Rosario-Hicks-Arcia? to start the year, and we all know that Arcia has plenty of question marks as well.
  4. Cameron was far from the only one, as noted in other threads. But I agree, Bernie Comp is sort of a best case scenario (which honestly COULD happen), but I think the Yankees end up seeing the better end of this deal 9 out of 10 times.
  5. No I get what you are saying, Dilfer was nothing special in the NFL. But coming into the NFL he had "high upside" at the time by the scouts, he had just lead the NCAA in passing efficiency, had a "big arm", etc. He had upside at the time (most do when there was serious talk of him going #1), he didn't come close to his projected ceiling but then ended up being a middle of the road QB. Ponder had a ceiling coming out of the draft that was "oh maybe he will be Chad Pennington/average at best" Basically Hicks is to Dilfer and Ponder is to Murphy in this scenario. Hicks has the much higher ceiling. Give me Dilfer's career over Ponder's any day. And I don't see it as that far off topic, we are talking about high upside guys vs "maybe he will be average some day" guys. It all goes back to "pitch to contact" safe pitchers versus: hard throwing, but a little more risk high upside pitchers that screwed this franchise for many years.
  6. Beats me. Feel free to pick another name from the other 10 catchers I tossed out as well. Again, I think Hundley is closer to average then "good" anyways, I wouldn't be thrilled if the Twins went after Hundley as well since you are again "settling for mediocrity"
  7. You can say that about 90% of any orgs top 30 prospects. Nunez, Eric Duncan and many more also "earned the love of Yankee nation" it doesn't mean much.
  8. If they traded Hicks for Murphy to essentially become the back up catcher that would be even more disappointing in some ways. You don't give up a real asset (which Hicks was and would have continued to be) for a back up.
  9. Well that's obviously the main topic that drove this thread, no? I brought up several more examples as well: Stauffer Bartlett Kubel Santana (Jury prob still out) Hughes Nolasco Hunter A lot of guys that are league average (at best in most cases) and have no real upside to be impact players.
  10. Yeah I was thinking that earlier actually. Though Williams was a really, really nice player, think of basically a Torii Hunter like career (but better, but not good enough to make the hall) players like that are pretty rare, but I could see it happening with Hicks. More likely he becomes Brett Gardner esque in terms of overall value (which again, is too much to give up)
  11. I know you are joking but its worth noting that Dilfer was the 6th pick in the draft and had a lot of "upside" coming out of college. (You don't get drafted that high from a small school without a lot of upside) Anyways, he ended up being league average, and yes he won a super bowl, but that had little to do with him as that defense was absolutely nasty! Dilfer had a much higher ceiling then Ponder had (and a much higher floor as it turned out)
  12. Well, Hicks only played 97 games this year, so 20/20 would be quite the feet! However if you pro-rate his stats this year to a 520 PA year (not even a "full" season) he has 17 HR and 20SB. So if Hicks doesn't improve a lick (doubtful) he is already a 20/20 type guy Also FWIW: From July on (250 at bats) Hicks had 10 HR, which puts him right at current 20/20 offensive already. Any solid improvement he becomes a 25/25 type guy. If you don't think Hicks has at least the very real potential for gold glove defense, I guess that's your opinion but it flies int he face with most every defensive stat and scout.
  13. Yup, and again, if we give up Arcia, Vargas or someone else (who someday may be "league average") I'm fine with it. But not Hicks, not a 5 tool type guy who is only going to get better and just turned a corner last year. It sorta reminds me of when the Vikings wasted a high and valuable pick on Christian Ponder, it wasn't that Ponder was terrible at the time, it's just his upside was "well, maybe he can become Chad Pennington aka league average" it's thinking like that, that ultimately gets you decent seasons but no real chance at a championship.
  14. Yeah, exactly. You think the Twins would have learned the last time they traded a CF (or two) and just assumed Hicks would step in ASAP. Buxton shouldn't be rushed, period, if he isn't ready now, he isn't ready, hopefully he will be ready in June or July (maybe earlier, who knows) but for now you create a hole in the OF. If you are so content on trading Hicks for a non special player like Murphy, Why not wait until Buxton and Kepler are literally pushing Hicks out of a job? Instead you just hurt the current MLB ready OF depth, and an injury to Rosario or someone else suddenly has you running out Shane Robinson every day.
  15. Snark all you want, but Hundley had an .807 OPS last year which was higher than EVERY SINGLE TWIN other than Sano last year. 50 points more than Dozier, 100 more than Hunter. Hundley isn't great, and is close to the 12th best catcher then the 5th best.
  16. Immediately? Doubtful.
  17. Dude you were just so far off base. Those were 4 off the top of my head, here are some more catchers who certainly aren't "boring" Cervilli Lucroy Vogt Grandal Montero Hundley Castillo Molina That's not even including the Norris' of the world etc.
  18. I think they are all great to be honest, even the couple I have had issues with in the past, I would gladly grab a beer with any of them and catch a Twins game (as long as Nick doesn't go into a 30 minute long diatribe of how Brian Buscher never got a fair shot)
  19. Sorry I probably watched 50% of the games he played in, in some way or form. Being in NY the Yankees are often on a TV somewhere at some point, and unfortunately most of the people I deal with on a daily basis are Yankee fans, so I do know quite a bit about the team and the players. From everything I have read, seen and the stats I have seen, Murphy just doesn't look like anything more than a backup catcher or a stop gap catcher, sorry if I'm not going to get excited about trading away a 5 tool former top 40 prospect who plays a premium position and plays it damn well for him. (Yes, Hicks hasn't "lit it up" but a lot of that has to do with how the Twins rushed him and handled him) I bet Hicks hits 20/20 easily next year and becomes a nice cog on the Yankees team. We just gave up too much for a player with not enough upside IMO, Arcia or Vargas for Murphy? Sure, sign me up. Meyer for Murphy? Not as cool with it, but I would be fine. Hicks for Murphy? Yuck.
  20. Jimmer brings up a valid point, IMO the moderation is pretty fair for the most part, but there is definitely a bias amongst the owners and moderators and that is OK. You have to look no further then the deleted thread last month from the season ticket holder call, the Twins asked the TD crew to remove the thread and pretty much every follow up post and they did it almost immediately, additionally the main writers are very careful to never put too much blame on the Twins org etc AGAIN this is OK. I appreciate what the writers do here, and thankfully they aren't straight up mouthpieces for the org like Souhan, but there is definitely a bias, otherwise these interviews with Terry Ryan and co would never happen (The Twins have shown to be very thin skinned in the past with any criticism put their way, "Minnesota Nice" at its best) but with that said they all are fair for the most part, however they do let personal attacks "go" when the person saying it is one of the "The Twins can do no wrong" crowd. At the end of the day the mods/owners are much more CNN (or Fox News depending on your flavor) then NPR, which again is OK.
  21. I believe the other 8-10 "experts" who have said Murphy is a role player.
  22. hey if you think that one post season series win in 17 years is success, then more power to you. I'm just stating the facts, I have nothing against TR, I just don't think he is very good at his job any more and should take the President role (I do think St. Peter should have been fired ever since his cancer kid/Cordova commercial)
  23. I raise a legitimate question/thought in this thread, when has TR ever tried to sign or trace for an actual "star" or someone with "star potential"?
  24. Give me a break, if you truly believe that he isn't an "ace" because of a SSS there is no need to further discuss this issue with you.
  25. 29 teams have boring catchers? Lol. No. Just. No. KC Toronto Mets For starters
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