And just to be clear, as Riverbrian reminds me in another thread, I was a terrible player at age 23, likewise at 14 and 19 and 26 and 30, ditto now at age fifty-mumble-mumble - it would have been a waste of anyone's time to have me in a minor league system at age 23 or any age. I'm not saying that age by itself makes a prospect worthwhile; you want to see progress too. Looking at Santana's minor league hitting record, I'm seeing progress. I don't know how to judge his defense from afar; maybe someone up close sees a red flag there that says give up, but that's not what I'm reading.