greengoblinrulz

Sounds like Hermann is bein called up due to injuries.... Bout time

Drew Butera anyone...... Burnett is safe to start the year out as Gardy/Andy are old schooled and wil/do look at ERA & not K's/BABIP where it shows Burnett is about to get killed. Think Robertson is safe as he'll be the one hitter lefty type & he's held LHH to under .200BAve this year. Swarzak, for me, is safe only because he's out of options & was very effective as a bullpen only guy untill coming back from his shoulder problem. Gray becomes a FAgent once the season ends and wont be back. Manship, Vasquez (who I wouldnt be stunned if he beats out Swarzak) & Walters are out of options. Not even sure if Jeff & PJ will be kept on 40 man this winter as both have no shot next spring. Waldrop will start in AAA & am not sure how MN will handle Pedomo as he has options left BUT guys like Slama, Pugh, Watts, Lanigan are options that dont have to be protected

Oswaldo Arcia wouldnt look good as a PH here would he??

when you just give up the position at 3 spots (Florimon/Escobar/Butera)...you gotta expect that

that Butler ball is the reason that Revere needs to play CF, not Span. Dont know if he catches it, but he doesnt pull up like Denard always does.

Rib strain .....day to day, so possibly out for year??

Would anything be better than seeing Butera get hurt (w/Mauer/Doumit unavailable tonight). Took that foul tip off his wrist....got my attention

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jared-burton/ Never fully understood arbitration. How does this scenario work. It says he'll go to arbitration this off-season... doesn't he have the right to decline arbitration? only if you're a FA. If you're under team control, you either agree to a deal......agree to arbitration......become a FA He's in same boat as Casilla, Duensing, Butera & Burnett,

At least in AAA next year, he will have a salary of 72K....not as good as MLB's 500K, but better than he's ever made. He'll be a guy that will defiantely make some starts next year based on what he did this year....just not make the team outta STraining. Solid success story....woulda liked him to get his last 3/4starts, but oh well

Gonna assume that the team will go back to 12 pitchers next yr, so I gotta say there already is no competition in spring training as Gardy/Andy will write the following 7 relievers in ink this offseason (barring trades of course) RHP Jaret Burton Alex Burnett Casey Fien Anthony Swarzak LHP Glen Perkins Brian Duensing Tyler Robertson All 7 have had some sort of decent success when they have pitched in pen. Any disagreements

Maybe, but personally I think Escobar is NOTHING more than what Casilla is currently......no hit, good field.

believe he will start in AAA next year with Gibson ( who'll be the first callup if its past May15) & be 2nd in command there. MN will give Deduno the 5th spot next spring but I have no doubt he wont be able to keep up his success & that will be where we see Gibson. Hendrix will get the 4th spot but he is definately on a short leash with the organization (personally think he may be dealt this offseason). Very solid season for Cole. Wonder how much his AFL success helped him

That's fine if you disagree, but your counterpoints continue to make the case against having high expectations for Dozier based on AA numbers as a 24. The players you mention have seen their status fall and their big league stints were uninspiring. My points are far less a knock on Dozier than that I think way too many expectations have been laid upon him. Just because Dozier made the majors after three years doesn't mean he should have and that's the point about using his AA numbers as a 24 year old to evaluate him. They didn't tell us anything about how ready (or in this case, not ready) he was for the majors. On top of that, we're talking about 78 games in AA (hence my us of the phrase "sustained success"). Personally, I'd have liked to see him at AAA for a full season (not unlike what they did with Parmelee even though they botched that a couple of times) and that would have given a much better picture of where he was at. At this point, I honestly think this was, at best, a lost and wasted year of development for him. At worst, this could have ruined him for the long run. Regarding the Florimon comparison. If you are going to have a SS who can't hit, it's probably better to have one that has a better arm and better range. That said, it's not really an issue of Dozier or Florimon (or Esocobar); the Twins MI situation is dire and there's not anything in the near future that looks to change that. Actually, I agree with ya on the crux of the arguement. If MN was gonna call him up this year after 30gms this year.....he shoulda been up from AA last Sept to audition. With the 2011 SS situation, there still was no reason not to call him up OTHER than Mn doesnt call up prospects that soon, regardless of how they play/what team considers their future to be. In 2013, they will still be deciding on a player/position that they refused to identify in 2011

is this dumb......not catching as much might hurt him on the called strikes as he's not 'working' the home plate umpire as much as before.

was there anything at beginning

He's on the older end in terms of actual major league prospects, so citing a bunch of guys who are older and in AA in a relatively poor farm system doesn't really contradict the argument. The Twins will likely have real prospects in AA next year (or shortly after) who are much younger. Again I disagree with this.....Dozier was a 4 yr senior (big knock on him) who was only an 8th round pick (only 2 Twins 8th rounders in past 20yrs made majors w/Dinkelman the other). Especially in terms of Twins prospects, he moved to AA in less than 2 calender yrs & majors in less than 3....nova speed for MN. Guys like Romero & DeLos Santos were on the 40 man roster in the past...before being removed as busts...and Tosoni & Benson were major leaguers last yr.....were all highly thought of prospects that have disappointed Guess Im just surprised that nobody has a problem with Florimon bein 6months older than Dozier....while writing him off so soon.

heard bits of Molly thinks Koch is fringe prospect but has trouble as a catcher Michaels future is at 2B, not SS

This may be splitting hairs, but his earlier higher average in AAA was due to an amazing first two weeks. He was in the start of the slump when called up. I've also pointed out elsewhere, as have others that it's very dangerous to put too much stock in those A+/AA numbers as he was among the oldest players in those minor leagues. .As I've said, he has yet to show sustained success at a "developmentally appropriate" level. So, imo, his overall struggles both at AAA and the majors are not all that surprising, but I definitely agree that the Twins handled him extremely poorly. I don't think they've scapegoated him, but for an organization that is usually patient with players in the minor leagues, and even if they weren't his original call-up wasn't warranted or needed. dont agree with this assesment of Dozier. With a May 15 bday, he was 24 for his entire AA run & that is older than I like BUT this year alone.....Romero, Collabello, DeLos Santos, Hermann, Hanson, Tosoni & Benson were all older than 24 & Doziers AA numbers were as good as anyones (for position comparison anyways). At Ft Myers, he was still 23 & this year alone Rams, Liddle, Goncalves, Knudson, Leer, Hidalgo & Gonzalez were 23 or older. He just needs to find his stroke again & start drawing some more walks. If his hitting gets back to reasonable, MN will find a spot.....tho I believe he is slightly in the doghouse.

Ill put Kirby on that list Honus Wagner has the highest WAR of any HOFers w/o an MVP Met Ott, Nap Lajoie & Eddie Mathews never won one either as HOFs

Pretty sure Arizona would put him in the majors! You're kind of a two trick pony eh? No one moves fast enough and the Twins can't develop talent. Dont know my 2nd trick .......they definately dont move fast enough but I think there is very nice talent there, just develop it too slowly

Pretty sure Arizona would put him in the majors! You're kind of a two trick pony eh? No one moves fast enough and the Twins can't develop talent. It is either that or GGRulz is calling me a moron but wants to do it on the DL so Brock does not reprimand him. (.347/.439/.669) with 8 homers with 19 walks v 25 Ks those are legit numbers that Im afraid wont be developed correctly....already seems with Buxton, Keplar & Walker in BEL next year that he is possibly bein passed over

not as long as Gardy is the manager & TR is the GM

Always amazed more fringe players dont do what Tyler Grimes is doin & learn to catch.

Guess its the battle for the starting SS spot next year. Think many people would be surprised to find out that Florimon is actually 6months older than Dozier....which has been one of Brian's main detractions from fans/media. Twins would lead you to believe that Florimon is a slick fielding/smooth MLB style SS but his defense has statistically been far worse in his 24gms than Dozier was in his 83gms @ SS. Pedro 24gms 5 errors (3 fielding) .954 Fld Pct....-2.2UZR -21.4UZR/150gms 15 OOZ plays(out of zone) Dozier 83gms 15errors (6 fielding) .964Fld Pct...-0.8UZR -1.5UZR/150gms 39OOZ plays Dozier .234/.271/.332 33runs 6HR 33RBI 9/11sb 17.1K% 4.7bb% Pedro .253/.314/.367 12runs 0HR 5RBI 2/2sb 18.4K% 8.0bb% Florimon has never put up an offensive year close to what Dozier has done in the minors leading most to believe Dozier has far more upside with the bat Maybe Im wrong, but I think many people are very happy with Florimon's performance but it has been only as equal or even below to what Dozier was doin, & he doesnt have much to improve on offensively

Dont believe the teams can be compared as BALT operates differently. They actually have their #3 hitter (Markakis) hitting leadoff since its the best baseball move.....MN wont even hit Mauer 2nd. They will call up hotshot 20 yr old prospects if it helps them win games.....not shot that Rosario/Sano will see any action next yr (bein saved for Futures Gm @ Target Fld) Understand that you need quality players in middle infield is something MN has never grasped. Balt takes its star C & actually plays him at his most optimum position where he's won a Gold Glove....MN knows Mauer cant do it anymore. Balt went out & acquired MLB starters....MN will stay inhouse with Deduno, DeVries, Pavano