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It was pretty surprising news that Arraez was available again, and many fans spent much of last year wishing Arraez was still in the lineup. I think there are people that would agree that it's a fun discussion to have.
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"Continuing to give him troubles" may not be the correct phrasing, but back in mid December the Twins still weren't willing to put a timeline on his return to baseball activity. As usual I'm sure that's about all we'll get for news until Spring Training or unless they acquire another first baseman, in which case we can read the tea leaves.
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That's the expectation, but a lot of folks were pretty certain Kirilloff would be ready for Opening Day last year and that wasn't the case. Completely different injury, but I guess my point is with a player that has his injury history, it's very possible something comes up before OD, whether it's the shoulder or something else. He's one of the players I wouldn't blame the Twins for if they went completely over the top on an impact backup.
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There probably isn’t a single team in MLB who would say they don’t need Luis Arraez, who slashed .354/.393/.469 in 2023. With two years of team control left, he might not cost quite what the Marlins gave up to acquire him last season, but his price remains high. Now that the Marlins appear willing to part with him, is there any scenario in which the Twins bring him back? When the Twins dealt Arráez last offseason, they were betting on him being a first baseman or DH, as his health had started to limit his range in the field. The Marlins thought of Arráez as at least a part-time second baseman, which is why they thought he was valuable enough to give up Pablo Lopez (plus two prospects) to acquire him. The Marlins followed through on their plan, but it didn’t pan out as expected. Arraez had a positive Defensive Runs Saved at second base, but his Outs Above Average showed the Twins were correct to be concerned about his declining range. He played a career-high 1,124 innings at second base in 2023 and posted -10 OAA. For reference, Edouard Julien put up -3 OAA in about half as many innings at the position. The Marlins have probably arrived at the same conclusion the Twins reached a year earlier, hoping an offer presents them with more value than moving Arráez to first base moving forward. The Twins and Arráez are an interesting fit at this point. Their low-contact, power-focused lineup makes him a solid complementary piece, as many fans pointed out while the strikeouts piled up in 2023. The Twins could certainly use help at first base, with Alex Kirilloff struggling against southpaws to start his career and having repeated injury concerns. Unfortunately, Arráez is another left-handed bat with platoon issues, and has plenty of health concerns of his own. It’s more likely that the Twins will look for a cheap, right-handed platoon bat to pair with Kirilloff, rather than pay what will still be a high price for Arráez in trade. In the wake of his second consecutive batting title, La Regadera is in line to make more than $11 million, which could be prohibitive given the Twins' payroll plans. Regarding the fit on the currently constructed roster, Arraez is tough to slot in regularly. The Twins, of course, have been known to get creative on the trade market in the past. A team could call up the Twins and coax them into parting with someone like Kirilloff, or even Kepler--the latter of which would solve the money problem for them. Catcher is a glaring weakness for the Marlins, with Nick Fortes penciled in to start and the utterly fungible Christian Bethancourt signed to be the backup. Might they take on Christian Vázquez, to help balance the money exchanged, if the Twins offered an impressive offensive player under long-term team control? Could Arráez fit into a framework in which the Twins acquire one of the Fish's available starting pitchers, like Jesús Luzardo or Edward Cabrera? As the season nears, Kiriloff's shoulder injury continues to give him trouble. As quiet as this winter has been, history says there could be some shakeups before Opening Day. A reunion with Luis Arraez is a fun idea, but in all likelihood, the Twins won’t see adding him back as a priority. Their most significant needs continue to be pitching, center field, and potentially a right-handed hitter, and they have no shortage of impact left-handed hitters in the lineup. It’s hard to resist one of the most unique hitters of this era of baseball if he’s available. Is there any fit for Luis Arraez on the current roster? Should the Twins pay the price to bring him back to Minnesota? Let us know below!
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The Miami Marlins appear willing to listen to trade offers on Luis Arráez, despite a great 2023 season with the team. Is there any scenario wherein Arráez returns to Minnesota? Image courtesy of David Banks-USA TODAY Sports There probably isn’t a single team in MLB who would say they don’t need Luis Arraez, who slashed .354/.393/.469 in 2023. With two years of team control left, he might not cost quite what the Marlins gave up to acquire him last season, but his price remains high. Now that the Marlins appear willing to part with him, is there any scenario in which the Twins bring him back? When the Twins dealt Arráez last offseason, they were betting on him being a first baseman or DH, as his health had started to limit his range in the field. The Marlins thought of Arráez as at least a part-time second baseman, which is why they thought he was valuable enough to give up Pablo Lopez (plus two prospects) to acquire him. The Marlins followed through on their plan, but it didn’t pan out as expected. Arraez had a positive Defensive Runs Saved at second base, but his Outs Above Average showed the Twins were correct to be concerned about his declining range. He played a career-high 1,124 innings at second base in 2023 and posted -10 OAA. For reference, Edouard Julien put up -3 OAA in about half as many innings at the position. The Marlins have probably arrived at the same conclusion the Twins reached a year earlier, hoping an offer presents them with more value than moving Arráez to first base moving forward. The Twins and Arráez are an interesting fit at this point. Their low-contact, power-focused lineup makes him a solid complementary piece, as many fans pointed out while the strikeouts piled up in 2023. The Twins could certainly use help at first base, with Alex Kirilloff struggling against southpaws to start his career and having repeated injury concerns. Unfortunately, Arráez is another left-handed bat with platoon issues, and has plenty of health concerns of his own. It’s more likely that the Twins will look for a cheap, right-handed platoon bat to pair with Kirilloff, rather than pay what will still be a high price for Arráez in trade. In the wake of his second consecutive batting title, La Regadera is in line to make more than $11 million, which could be prohibitive given the Twins' payroll plans. Regarding the fit on the currently constructed roster, Arraez is tough to slot in regularly. The Twins, of course, have been known to get creative on the trade market in the past. A team could call up the Twins and coax them into parting with someone like Kirilloff, or even Kepler--the latter of which would solve the money problem for them. Catcher is a glaring weakness for the Marlins, with Nick Fortes penciled in to start and the utterly fungible Christian Bethancourt signed to be the backup. Might they take on Christian Vázquez, to help balance the money exchanged, if the Twins offered an impressive offensive player under long-term team control? Could Arráez fit into a framework in which the Twins acquire one of the Fish's available starting pitchers, like Jesús Luzardo or Edward Cabrera? As the season nears, Kiriloff's shoulder injury continues to give him trouble. As quiet as this winter has been, history says there could be some shakeups before Opening Day. A reunion with Luis Arraez is a fun idea, but in all likelihood, the Twins won’t see adding him back as a priority. Their most significant needs continue to be pitching, center field, and potentially a right-handed hitter, and they have no shortage of impact left-handed hitters in the lineup. It’s hard to resist one of the most unique hitters of this era of baseball if he’s available. Is there any fit for Luis Arraez on the current roster? Should the Twins pay the price to bring him back to Minnesota? Let us know below! View full article
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Well for starters I'm sure they're aware of Clevinger not being the greatest clubhouse presence to have around. Aside from a lot of negative off field stories, I remember him giving up a game winning homer to Polanco in 2019 and immediately saying he must still be doing PEDs postgame. I also think there's a reason Clevinger is still out on the market. He had the lowest HR/FB rate of his career in 2023 and his strikeout rate keeps plummeting. I'm not saying he can't be a solid starter for somebody, but I'd guess the Twins are aiming for more upside, and I think Clevinger will cost a bit more than we expect based on some of the other SP deals that have been signed.
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The Twins not shopping on the high end of free agent pitching also has nothing to do with the Twins cutting payroll. That's never been how they operate even as they were steadily increasing payroll the last few years. Just because they aren't giving Jordan Montgomery $150m doesn't mean they're getting worse, there's plenty of time left for them to add another pitcher. If you think it sucked to lose a few prospects in trade that didn't have spots here anyways, just imagine what would happen if they sign a 30+ year old pitcher to a long term deal that becomes an albatross.
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Personally I don't see a scenario where Lewis is traded, and I think he's a tier up from Julien and Lee in terms of how the organization views them. Even for a front office that's willing to trade anyone whether they're a fan favorite, home grown talent, etc., I think there's an attachment there that will make it difficult. He was the first draft pick they ever made after taking over the job, and after a winding road to the MLB which led to him basically carrying the team to their first playoff win in almost 20 years last season, I just can't see it. I'm sure there's a price, but I don't see anyone meeting it. I think Lewis is too athletic to move him down the defensive spectrum to 1B. I think it's likelier that they'd move him to 2B if they're that intent on Lee playing 3B, but I suspect they won't mess with a good thing. Also of note, Lee's offense will probably profile better at 2B.
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I think the general (public) consensus is that while Lee is playing exclusively SS in the minors, that's not where he'll wind up. Maybe the Twins think differently behind closed doors, but they did the same with Austin Martin all the way through the minors despite there never really being a chance for him to actually play there full time in his MLB career. I've seen Lee play SS in person a few times and personally I do think he could play a passable shortstop if they wanted him to. I don't think he'd be a plus defender there, though, and I think with Correa around he's left with either 3B or 2B. Add in Royce and I think he's left with 2B. Twins plans for him may change this conversation entirely, but just in my opinion, I could see Lee's offensive profile and defense being the best possible fit as a second baseman in the long run.
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I agree with the point that these good young hitters should get a chance to sink or swim against same handed pitching certainly. I think it needs to be looked at with a bit of nuance and on a case by case basis when it comes to pinch hitting. I think at times the Twins got carried away with their platooning when they were pulling players in the 2nd or 3rd inning to get that platoon matchup, only to not have an option to adjust back in the later innings when another pitching change was made. The opposite side of this argument is that there will be times in the late innings where everyone would agree that Kyle Farmer should pinch hit for Julien against Aroldis Chapman for example. There's plenty of space in between these two scenarios to get these guys at least some exposure which I believe is your point. I also think it's worth noting that the Twins may be more open to letting a lefty or two stay in the lineup against a southpaw if guys like Buxton and Correa are taking care of business. There were times last season where the lineup needed every percentage point of an advantage that they could possibly get
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People have a lot of opinions on this one I guess! I remember an article of mine from way back in the day regarding the likelihood of the Twins non-tendering Eddie Rosario the following offseason that really blew up. Sometimes you get to writing about a topic and more people have strong thoughts on it than expected. It's fun to see people so involved with such little news to react to to be honest. The views on articles and where those views come from i.e. Facebook, Twitter, Google etc. are tracked privately. Not sure if there's a grand total on the amount of comments individual writers draw in!
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It's all dependent on the market and many teams are on the same boat. Consider this though: The Twins last year traded Luis Arraez for Pablo Lopez and two prospects, extended Lopez for below market value, and then he was one of the best pitchers in baseball. We can't count on that every time, but if they can make a similar deal for a pitcher they think they can improve, it's a much more effective route to take than doing something like bringing Sonny Gray back on the deal he got based on the healthiest and most effective season he's had since 2019. It all comes down to making the best addition and not necessarily how much money is being spent. A lot of times those two factors don't line up.
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I think every team sees Polanco as a startable 2B with the ability to fill in at 3B and a bat worthy of DH on occasion, I just think we overrate how much that profile is worth in trade. I do think adding Festa or even ERod would significantly increase the return. Probably depends on the team and what they think of the other player.
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And I didn't agree with Julien's platooning at all times last season either. The day he started at 2B against an opener and was pulled before he got an AB was downright ridiculous. I will say part of the reason they platooned him as aggressively as they did was because they had a bench with players like Solano and Farmer who gave them a significant upgrade in those matchups. Would it be better to let him take most of those at bats for his development's sake? Probably, but those bench players were on the team for those specific spots. The 48 PAs he had vs LHP may not be a strong enough sample size to say he needs to be platooned for the rest of his career, but he did struggle exceptionally in those spots, and it is a mark against him especially because that's typically the way those lefty on lefty matchups play out. I'm not saying ship him out because he may not hit lefties, but if they view Julien and Lee in a similar light, the switch hitter may have the tie breaker.
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Strongly agree. He made a few horrible plays that really stick in our minds. He also made some incredible plays down the stretch at the end of the season, and became more reliable overall. The fact that the Twins have insisted on keeping him there should be enough for fans to trust that he's capable of playing an acceptable 2B.
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Yup, and that's certainly a consideration as well, but the way they're already platooning Julien tells me they don't expect him to overcome that issue. It's also just a better bet to expect the guy capable of hitting right-handed to be able to develop vs LHP than the left-handed hitter. I'm just playing devil's advocate here and trying to consider how the FO might weigh things. I'll be forthcoming and say I would strongly prefer to keep Julien over Lee if one had to be traded. The success he's shown in the MLB is hard to beat.
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I'm not saying he's doomed to be platooned forever, but his platoon split history is absolutely a consideration the front office will have and is a strike against him when comparing him to a switch hitter. FWIW I'd continue to play him against LHP whenever possible in 2025 and I believe he's still a game changer even if he has to occasionally take a day off with a lefty on the mound.
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For Lee or Julien it would absolutely have to be for a high end starter to part with them. I think we need to be realistic on Jorge Polanco's trade value. Eugenio Suarez was traded earlier this offseason for a backup catcher and lottery ticket minor league reliever. Suarez has a similar contract to Polanco with team control for 2024 and a team option in 2025 for $3m more. He was basically exactly as valuable as Polanco on a per game basis, except he played all 162 games in 2024, whereas Polanco's injury concerns continue to pop up and he only played in 80. I think Suarez is going to be the closest trade comp to Polanco we'll see this offseason in terms of an aging infielder with a 2025 team option, and the return he brought was miles away from anywhere close to a high end starting pitcher. It was basically a salary dump by Seattle, and they're likely a worse team for trading him.
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Right now they have Julien and Polanco locked and loaded at 2B to begin 2024. Brooks Lee is in Triple-A, and I'd bet he's putting up numbers that warrant a promotion pretty early into the season. Austin Martin already put up such numbers in St. Paul last season (though he can play the OF). That's four legitimate options for second base, plus Kyle Farmer who can mix in, all either at the MLB level or knocking on the door. If you're looking to trade anyone, that group is the most obvious. It also costs something to get something. They're not getting an ace for a package of low level guys. If a team is trading a high end starter, it's to get something of significance in return. A trade calculator and say Brent Headrick, Yasser Mercedes, Jose Miranda, and Connor Prielipp gets you close in value to trading one top prospect, but why would a team have any interest in that return for what is probably one of their best starting pitchers?
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The Twins have payroll limitations, starting pitching needs, and a logjam at second base. With Jorge Polanco's proximity to free agency limiting his trade value somewhat, trading one of Brooks Lee or Edouard Julien could be something the front office will consider before Opening Day. Each player has plenty of arguments for and against trading them. Keeping Brooks Lee The Twins were fortunate that Lee fell to them at 8th overall in the 2022 draft. Before Walker Jenkins, Lee was the undisputed top prospect in the system, and is still a top-20 global prospect by many rankings. Lee is a versatile and well-rounded prospect who is likely to become at least a solid everyday MLB player. He’s also near-MLB-ready, after making it to Triple A in 2023 and should be a contributor at some point in 2024. With such a well-regarded prospect who isn’t far from making an MLB impact, it’s hard to blame anyone who wants to hold onto Lee and let his career play out in a Twins uniform. Trading Brooks Lee For a player with such a high floor. Lee lacks elite tools that jump off the page. That’s not to say that he can’t have an incredible baseball career, but many would argue that he lacks the ceiling of becoming an elite MLB player. There’s nothing wrong with a solid all-around regular, but if another team sees Lee’s ceiling as higher than the Twins front office thinks it is, they may look to cash in. Lee also doesn’t have a track record of success at the MLB level. After dominating Double A for most of 2023, he was promoted to St. Paul, where he posted a .732 OPS. He also struggled against left-handed pitching for much of 2023, and if that trend continues, it might downgrade his ceiling a bit. Lee is still a fantastic prospect and one worth betting on, but there is a world where cashing in on his current value pays off, if it brings in a legitimate rotation piece and clears up the logjam at second base. Keeping Edouard Julien Julien’s elite eye at the plate and ability to crush mistakes resulted in a .263/.381/.459 slash line in his rookie season, 36 percent better than a league-average hitter. He slumped in August, but was a key contributor at the top of the Twins lineup through October, when he hit his first postseason home run. Julien looks like he can be one of the best leadoff hitters in all of baseball, and he’s under team control through 2029. The main complaint against Edouard Julien is his defense, which was a significant problem when he debuted. He did improve as the season went on, even while moving to first base occasionally. He finished with -3 Outs Above Average at second base. If this sounds unmanageable, consider that Jorge Polanco had an identical mark in, and measures like Universal Zone Rating also have the two very close. Julien may not be the butcher in the field many consider him to be. Trading Edouard Julien Julien has been shielded from left-handed pitching for good reason. In 48 plate appearances against southpaws, he owns a .447 OPS in his young career. His walk rate of 17.2% against right-handed pitching drops to 4.2% against lefties. He may improve as he matures, but if he doesn’t, he'll go from stud leadoff man to needing to be platooned. This isn’t unmanageable, since he’d still be able to play almost every day, but it will tighten the roster if the Twins also plan to platoon Alex Kirilloff and Matt Wallner, assuming all three remain on the roster. There’s also the Luis Arraez concern, as the bar to clear offensively becomes higher if Julien moves to first base. We can hope he’s made strides at second and will continue to do so, but if his defense becomes untenable, he only has first base and designated hitter on which to fall back. His rookie season output would slot in just fine at either spot, but his overall value would take a hit, and the Twins could look to capitalize on it before that value drop-off happens. Prospects who haven’t debuted often get credit for what they may become. While pedigree is a worthwhile consideration, there’s little substitute for actual performance at the MLB level. The Twins have to weigh the performance of Julien in MLB against what they think Lee will be able to do when he makes his debut. For two players with such different styles, it’s a difficult task. Can Lee approach the value provided by Julien’s offense alone? If not, how good must he be in other aspects of the game to bridge the gap? These are the questions the Twins would face if they dip into their infield logjam to acquire a high-end starting pitcher in trade. There may be other pieces they could move to acquire a significant addition to the rotation, but choosing between Lee and Julien is the most obvious. Should the Twins prefer to trade Brooks Lee for pitching, or Edouard Julien? Should they be open to trading either player this winter? Let us know below!

