Brock Beauchamp
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I disagree. Brian Duensing was a pretty good pitcher last year and given the Twins financial constraints (or lack thereof), he's worth another look. Last year, Duensing posted career highs in swinging strikes, first pitch strikes, K%, and was unlucky with BABIP (.340-ish). His FIP was a respectable 3.24. If he can maintain those peripherals, he's a good option out of the pen.
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Louis CK is so damned clever that it makes me angry. He can walk the line between offensiveness and tact while pounding at social issues like few other comics.
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Thrylos, great take on Pelfrey. You're way more bullish on him than me but you have some valid points. Two things I think you missed though: 1. Given his age, I think it's unlikely that Mike will add a changeup. It's possible, though. 2. If he fails as a starter, he is a prime candidate for the bullpen. He's a big, hard-throwing righty that should be able to crank it up into the mid-90s from the pen. I doubt he'll be Glen Perkins but he should be more than serviceable in that role and at $5m a season, that's not an outrageous price to pay a guy who comes into the seventh or eighth inning for the team 60 times a season. -
Yep. Parmelee should have been playing last season. Colabello is a non-issue. He's a 24-25 roster guy at his peak. He's a great story but too old to invest much time or money.
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Well then, my rebuttal to your argument is "we can discuss this more when/if the Twins are on the verge of losing one of these guys". Right now, it seems like a lot of gnashing of teeth over hypotheticals. There are still several ways Ryan can make their lack of options a non-issue before the season begins.
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Who is giving up on them? I never said any of them should be DFAed. I think they should all go into Spring Training and then evaluations should be made. I also have said repeatedly, though not in this thread, that Ryan should be shopping some relievers this offseason to clear up roster space. Again, all of these players should receive opportunities to succeed in MLB. In this rotation, they will get those opportunities because this rotation still isn't very good and unless the Twins sprinkle magic pixie dust on their staff, at least two of Nolasco, Pelfrey, Correia, and Hughes will lose time in 2014 due to ineffectiveness and/or injury. That's just how a 162 game baseball season plays out. But Diamond, Worley, and Deduno should not be guaranteed a rotation spot going into the season. That's where we differ in opinion. They've tried that approach in seasons past and they were burned badly by it. Let them fight over the last spot in ST, stash at least one more of them in the pen, and ride out the season. Everybody will end up getting work by the time September ends.
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They "risked" that approach last season and Kevin Correia was the Twins' best starting pitcher. I repeat. Kevin Correia was the Twins' best starting pitcher. If that doesn't make you gag a little, I don't know what will. If it's so easy to surpass Kevin Correia's meager ability, one of those guys should have been able to do it last season... Except all of them failed to surpass a guy who is barely a #4 starter on a good team. Three of those guys spent most of the season in the minor leagues. They weren't only worse than Kevin Correia, they were so bad that they couldn't stay in the worst starting rotation in all of baseball. Leaving the bottom 2 rotation spots to three guys who bombed out of MLB in various ways last season is a good way to ensure that you have another pitching crisis on your hands in 2014. I'm making that argument in another thread for a very different reason: I said Chris Parmelee should have been thrown out there six days a week in 2013 because 90 losses was inevitable, with or without Parmelee. At that point, let the kids play and see what happens. 2014 is not 2013. The Twins may still be bad but there's no reason to enter a season expecting to lose 90 games after you've spent $85m on pitching. If you can marginally improve the team while still leaving open opportunities to let guys surprise you, that's a good approach. And that's basically what the Twins have done.
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And I can almost guarantee that those guys will get an extended look this season, whether it be through injury or trade. In situations such as these, the decisions tend to make themselves over the course of a season. If the Twins have a suitor for Correia, sure, trade the guy. I can get behind that. If they don't, that's okay, too. This team has been burned by one of the worst MLB rotations in three consecutive seasons. There's nothing wrong with saying "enough" and trying to field a rotation that isn't awful. And the way to do that is to have "too many guys" on the roster, knowing that some will fail.
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I agree with kab on pretty much everything in this thread. 1. Stashing a guy in the pen for a couple of months won't hurt anyone. 2. Stashing Gibson in AAA for a couple of months won't kill him. 3. If all of Pelfrey, Correia, et al work out, fantastic. Trade one and then plug in a new guy. 4. It's likely that many or all of these pitchers will fail and the theoretical "depth" will be gone by June 1. 5. Do those guys really have a higher upside than Correia? I don't think they do. They're younger and cheaper, for sure... But at the core, Diamond and Worley are pretty much the same guy as Correia. That doesn't mean you discard them for no reason but it also doesn't mean you reserve a rotation spot for them, either.
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Well, has shown that he can hit MLB pitching... The problem is that it's so infrequently that it's increasingly difficult to believe he will ever be an adequate MLB hitter overall. The Twins should have collected enough information about Parmelee last season to make a decision. It was foolish to send him to Rochester and not play him everyday so we wouldn't have to go through this routine for the third consecutive season. Isn't that the point of a lost season? If you're not going to win, at least use the time to figure out who should be on the roster when you CAN win.
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Twins hire Sam Perlozzo
Brock Beauchamp replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
I believe shifting the defense isn't going far enough. It's time to introduce the mid-inning position swap. Keep batters confused and off-balance. -
It's possible but it's a mistake. The Twins need to put their five best starters in the rotation, not their four best righties and their best lefty.
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It will be a sad, sad day when he leaves the Twins. Without Duensing on the roster, hypothetical trade discussion will reduce by at least 43%.
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Yep. Not to mention that every ninth batter in the NL is a free out (particularly in the first five innings), whereas that same ninth batter in the AL is probably a top three hitter in that lineup.
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Seth, you always look for the best in prospects. I'm not the slightest bit surprised that you disagree.
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Eh, I think he's still a prospect. The chances of him ever being a long-term roster solution drop to virtually zero but given that he's left-handed and had a history of being a control guy, he's still in the mix. It doesn't take much for a lefty to continue being a prospect because they're so in demand on a typical MLB roster. If Gilmartin was a righty, I'd agree with you. He'd be a non-prospect at 86mph.
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By the time you hit "prospect" #25 in any organization, they're barely prospects at all. At that point, why do you even care? Call him prospect #28 because he was a first round pick. Call him prospect #43 because he can't throw over 86mph. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter one bit. The guy has about a 1% chance of ever playing more than a couple of games in MLB.
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On a good team, Pelfrey's 150 innings are virtually useless. On the 2013 Twins, they served a purpose... But that's part of the reason why the 2013 Twins were so bad. As awful as Mike pitched, he was still one of the five best pitchers on the 40 man roster. Again, picking up Pelfrey last season wasn't a bad move... If it was the third or fourth move. As the second move, it was absolutely atrocious. I'm not going to blame Pelfrey because Ryan didn't pick up legitimate talent that wasn't returning from surgery.
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And... Chris Colabello will be... Better?
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I don't buy this one bit. If the Twins had better options than Pelfrey, they would have used them. The awful pitcher who logs innings is more valuable than the guy who doesn't pitch. I can only imagine the awful pitchers that would have donned a Twins uniform if Pelfrey hadn't pitched. The fact that Pelfrey was one of the top five starters in 2013 is an indictment of Ryan, not Mike.
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The Twins can only base a decision on what the Twins know. And given that they refused to sign Baker without a second year on the contract, I think it's pretty apparent that they didn't have much faith in Baker pitching in 2013. Which, coincidentally, he didn't do until September. As Nick brought up, Baker had more work done than a typical TJS. He's never been a particularly resilient guy. There was reason to suspect his timetable to return to the mound and that's without any of the information the Twins acquired on the guy over the years. Of course, there were reasons to suspect Pelfrey's timetable as well, if only because he accelerated it so much.
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What was known publicly about Baker is not the same as what the Twins knew about Baker. They had been working with Baker for years. He had been using their facilities, their doctors, their staff. Nobody knew Scott Baker better than the Twins. I think it speaks volumes that they (again, reportedly) wanted a second year or no deal.
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On the other hand, the Twins organization had more knowledge about Scott Baker and his situation than every other team in MLB and they refused to sign him without a second year (reportedly). That says volumes about Scott Baker's status going into the season.
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Article: Twins Sign Catcher Kurt Suzuki
Brock Beauchamp replied to John Bonnes's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Interesting. I always thought of Parmelee as a first baseman but never thought about what position his played in prep ball. All I know is that he played some RF early in his career and then split time. -
So now somewhat injury-prone players are automatically headcases? I will never, ever understand why Minnesota fans cannot appreciate what they had in Scott Baker.
