I'm not contradicting myself, which is why I clearly stated a perspective and stated nothing as fact. If moral absolutes cannot exist without god, explain Buddhism. There's a circular argument here and that's what bothers me. It hinges on the acceptance of a god for morality and without god, morality cannot exist. Well, what about someone who believes in a different god? How can you say moral absolutism exists as a Christian while acknowledging moral absolutism also exists for Jews? Absolutism is a pretty rigid thing. In its very definition, there is no wiggle room. If, as a Christian, you accept Jews also employ moral absolutism, then you must accept that Atheists can do the same because you're allowing personal perspective into the argument and not absolutism. Never mind that no religion on earth actually applies moral absolutism. 1500 years ago, Catholicism preached "do not lop off someone's head without cause... unless they're a slave, then do whatever, it's cool". Today they preach "do not lop off someone's head without cause". In 2016, many Christian religions preach "homosexuality is wrong". In 50 years, that will no longer be said from a mainstream pulpit. It's inevitable. If moral absolutism is a constantly moving target interpreted by 10,000 different people 10,000 different ways depending on perspective and time period, how does it exist at all? If it does exist, then it's on a personal level, which loops us back around to, you guessed it, Atheism...