Brock Beauchamp

@Squirrel Thanks. I started seeing those a couple of days ago but didn’t know if it was widespread or not. I’ll contact the ad provider this week about it. I don’t mind if those pop up on *extremely* rare occasions but I’ve seen them often enough to aggravate me.

That was a damned fine pitch from Robles.

Buxton’s speed mind-****ed the SS right there.

I also advocate for bunting away from the shift but Gallo with two outs is not the time. Gallo isn’t a speedster, which means he requires an XBH to score.

Tie game.

Never mind the outside that looks like a Fleet Farm.

It's hard to get a real feel for a stadium from television but Globe Life really looks unimpressive.

The concept of trading Ramos wasn’t a bad idea but the implementation of said trade was horrendous.

This is a reasonable offer in 2008.

I’ve been waiting all season to use this quote except the team refuses to, you know, win any games.

I’m not sure why I’m supposed to think a single instance of not trotting the bases is a big deal.

It's an interesting battle for me... do you pay a guy long-term who works so hard and stays on the field, or are you still worried about his lack of size and how that will impact him as he ages? I tend to lean toward the former but the latter still lingers in the back of my mind.

The White Sox were also in contention last season.

We usually don't discuss moderation in threads but I'll make a small exception here because your post was thoughtful and we had a previous discussion recently about something else (if you wish to respond to this further, please PM me). One of our core missions here at Twins Daily is to raise the level of discussion. The world already has Twitter and I think we've all seen what happens to the typical conversation over there. For every decent response, you have to wade through several posts of sewage to find it. We have no interest in participating in that world. In this specific instance, any salient point about Baldelli can be made without a snarky nickname. If a point is good, make the point and let it stand on its merit. But being intentionally antagonistic without substance is not an arena Twins Daily wishes to participate in and there are literally hundreds of places a poster can go to satisfy that desire. Maybe everyone ignores "Mr Spreadsheet" in this one case (though that's generally unlikely) but it creates a tone where everyone raises their hackles and conversations become about antagonistic posters instead of the subject at hand. And that antagonistic attitude bleeds into the next thread... and the next thread... and the next thread. Pretty soon, that's the tone of the forum itself, just as it's the tone of pretty much everything on Twitter and Facebook. As for censorship, we're a private entity and we never claimed to be a place for open discussion on every topic nor are we a place that allows all voices equal footing. We're very intentionally attempting to carve out a specific niche, curate both our content and its resulting discussion, and create a place where people don't want to vomit after reading "the second half of the internet". The banning of pejorative nicknames is just one of many measures we take to reach that goal.

Wheeler is the logical starting point. Here are Wheeler's stats with the Mets: Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards 2013 23 NYM NL 7 5 .583 3.42 17 17 0 0 0 0 100.0 90 42 38 10 46 2 84 4 0 6 431 104 4.17 1.360 8.1 0.9 4.1 7.6 1.83 2014 24 NYM NL 11 11 .500 3.54 32 32 0 1 1 0 185.1 167 84 73 14 79 3 187 11 0 9 794 97 3.55 1.327 8.1 0.7 3.8 9.1 2.37 2017 27 NYM NL 3 7 .300 5.21 17 17 0 0 0 0 86.1 97 53 50 15 40 1 81 3 0 1 386 79 5.03 1.587 10.1 1.6 4.2 8.4 2.03 2018 28 NYM NL 12 7 .632 3.31 29 29 0 0 0 0 182.1 150 69 67 14 55 0 179 9 1 2 744 112 3.25 1.124 7.4 0.7 2.7 8.8 3.25 2019 29 NYM NL 11 8 .579 3.96 31 31 0 0 0 0 195.1 196 93 86 22 50 4 195 2 0 5 828 104 3.48 1.259 9.0 1.0 2.3 9.0 3.90 7 Yrs 53 43 .552 3.53 151 151 0 2 2 0 916.2 835 391 360 85 308 13 897 39 1 26 3844 109 3.54 1.247 8.2 0.8 3.0 8.8 2.91 162 Game Avg. 12 10 .552 3.53 34 34 0 0 0 0 206 188 88 81 19 69 3 202 9 0 6 866 109 3.54 1.247 8.2 0.8 3.0 8.8 2.91 And Berrios' stats through today: Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards 2016 22 MIN AL 3 7 .300 8.02 14 14 0 0 0 0 58.1 74 56 52 12 35 0 49 5 0 1 281 53 6.20 1.869 11.4 1.9 5.4 7.6 1.40 2017 23 MIN AL 14 8 .636 3.89 26 25 0 0 0 0 145.2 131 71 63 15 48 0 139 13 1 7 616 114 3.84 1.229 8.1 0.9 3.0 8.6 2.90 2018 24 MIN AL 12 11 .522 3.84 32 32 0 2 1 0 192.1 159 83 82 25 61 1 202 13 0 2 797 111 3.90 1.144 7.4 1.2 2.9 9.5 3.31 AS 2019 25 MIN AL 14 8 .636 3.68 32 32 0 1 0 0 200.1 194 94 82 26 51 0 195 9 1 8 842 122 3.85 1.223 8.7 1.2 2.3 8.8 3.82 AS 2020 26 MIN AL 5 4 .556 4.00 12 12 0 0 0 0 63.0 57 28 28 8 26 0 68 3 0 5 271 107 4.06 1.317 8.1 1.1 3.7 9.7 2.62 2021 27 MIN AL 7 2 .778 3.49 13 13 0 0 0 0 77.1 64 32 30 10 20 0 81 4 0 1 311 116 3.68 1.086 7.4 1.2 2.3 9.4 4.05 6 Yrs 55 40 .579 4.12 129 128 0 3 1 0 737.0 679 364 337 96 241 1 734 47 2 24 3118 105 4.05 1.248 8.3 1.2 2.9 9.0 3.05 162 Game Avg. 15 11 .579 4.12 34 34 0 1 0 0 195 180 96 89 25 64 0 194 12 1 6 825 105 4.05 1.248 8.3 1.2 2.9 9.0 3.05 Those are close enough that I'd consider them a wash, though Berrios has a one year age advantage over Wheeler, which is worth noting. Also, Berrios' injury track record has been phenomenal in today's game.

I’m not even saying you’re wrong, I’m only saying it should not be assumed Ober cares about a W in this era of baseball and having come through this farm system. Even if he does care, I’d hope there are plenty of clubhouse conversations happening between him and the coaching staff that explains their reasoning and brings everyone onto the same page.

I probably would have left Ober in but, as I said, the decision to pull him is quite defensible for a few reasons. As for "getting that first win and boosting confidence", I'm not sure that's a thing anymore. Ober was drafted by and has spent his entire professional career in an organization that has essentially told its players (either directly or indirectly, not sure) the pitcher win is a worthless stat. So would Ober care about getting a W? I'm skeptical, to say the least.

This is a recent design trend, probably fueled by our continuing (unhealthy) nostalgia for all things old(ish) and blowback against high res everything in our lives. Sometimes, I think mixing pixelated with high resolution imagery can look pretty cool but I’m not terribly impressed with the Twins’ implementation in this case.

The bullpen gets a day off today, that wasn’t really an issue either way. I don’t think I would have pulled Ober yesterday but the move is definitely defensible. It’s a lost season in mid-June. The Twins will want Ober to get as many starts as possible in his rookie year before they’re forced to pull the plug on his 2021 season. It’d be nice to see the kid get his first win but in the grand scheme of things, an Ober win yesterday doesn’t matter in the slightest bit. It’s entirely reasonable for the organization to care more about whether he gets a couple more starts in august than whether he goes 5+ innings a few times in June.

Not really. While the 2021 MiLB farm system's condition is somewhat unknown, it's miles better than it was in 2011. Smith did some good things in his tenure but many of his trades were just awful.

It's not about stretching him out, it's about keeping him on the mound as long as possible this season. Here are Ober's innings pitched since being drafted. I'm not sure it's possible for the Twins to be too cautious with the guy right now, given how little he has pitched in recent seasons (including zero game innings last year). Year Age AgeDif Tm Lg Lev Aff G GS IP 2017 21 0.3 Elizabethton APPY Rk MIN 6 4 28.0 2018 22 0.1 Cedar Rapids MIDW A MIN 14 14 75.0 2019 23 3 Teams 3 Lgs A+-AA-Rk MIN 14 13 78.2 2019 23 -1.3 Pensacola SOUL AA MIN 4 4 24.0 2019 23 0.1 Fort Myers FLOR A+ MIN 8 8 45.2 2019 23 2.7 Twins GULF Rk MIN 2 1 9.0 2021 25 -2.2 St. Paul AAAE AAA MIN 4 4 16.0 2021 25 -3.8 MIN AL Maj MIN 4 4 17.0

I agree that Ober still has a lot to prove but he looks WAY better than I expected. 2-3mph more on the fastball than previous seasons while retaining that excellent control and command. Add in his absurd height advantage throwing to the plate and he could stick for a few seasons, provided he doesn't fall into the tall guy trap of losing his mechanics constantly... but given how he has such a track record of control over his pitches, I think that's maybe less likely to happen than it would be with other guys of his height.

Pretty cool stuff with a ton of information to take in. https://www.baseball-reference.com/negro-leagues-are-major-leagues.shtml