Brock Beauchamp
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Fair enough. I disagree with several points here but thank you for explaining in more detail. Also, going forward, having the opinion that it is an empty gesture reads differently than declaring it an empty gesture. The statement "I believe it's an empty gesture" is different enough from "It is an empty gesture" to matter in a conversation. One conveys your opinion, the other reads as fact. -
NO POLITICS. Next person that brings politics into this thread gets warning points.
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I’m killing this line of conversation now. This has literally nothing to do with what happened last night in Detroit and is rapidly devolving into whataboutism. Move on, everyone.
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Awareness isn’t only about knowing something exists. It’s about people using their platforms, whether that be the dinner table or millions of Twitter followers, to say “I believe in this thing and this is why I believe in it.” Athletes across the country have been doing this in a myriad of ways for the past 48 hours. Setting parameters on how people speak out and in what form is not productive and only detracts from the conversation at hand.
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We keep running in circles about this but why is bringing awareness to something empty? Why is that worth nothing in your eyes and "virtue signaling"? I'd really like to hear the answer to this because this string of conversation is frustrating me quite a bit. It feels like there's a subset of posters who feel any gesture that doesn't fit within their predetermined guidelines of what it means to oppose something is deemed "worthless" and "empty".
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Sports Aren’t Our Escape Anymore
Brock Beauchamp replied to RandBalls Stu's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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I'll say this once to everyone: Stop guessing at the motivations and "true" opinions of organizations, players, and posters on this website. This thread has been a pretty good conversation thus far. Let's keep it that way.
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Chief didn't do anything of the sort. Read the post again. What's truly disappointing is that someone assumed players unanimously voting to support their fellow teammates is some kind of "liberal" thing. And it's disappointing you glossed over that in favor of asserting Chief had the political agenda by pointing that out. Only one person even hinted at partisanship in this decision and it wasn't Chief, yet you focused on Chief's comment instead of the partisan comment. Why?
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I don't think Rogers has gotten enough credit for this. It was a bold move, one many white people are often afraid to make (myself included) but it's also a necessary move. If white people hold a firm belief that there is social injustice in this world, it's important to not make our black friends and family do all the heavy lifting. Find ways to lift that burden and be the person who says "no" so they don't have to do it every time.
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Or even “caring about their teammates?” Many of the narratives surrounding being empathetic to those around us saddens me.
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For those of you wondering what some players are doing to change things, The Player's Alliance (about 100 members) have dedicated their pay from August 27-28 to the Alliance to fight injustice. https://theplayersalliance.com/
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The thing is, it's not "your" game. It's a collection of corporate and personal interests that provide a service that you or I, as consumers of said entertainment, can pay to support or not. And it's a package deal, as those with a vested interest can choose to use their platform for any purpose they see fit. That could mean putting their heads down and playing baseball or it could mean using their large platform to push a message important to them. Use your dollars as you see fit, but don't tell other people how to use platforms they built through hard work and dedication.
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Sports Aren’t Our Escape Anymore
Brock Beauchamp replied to RandBalls Stu's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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Just did a search on this thread and the word "brave" has been used exactly zero times.
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Oh, I know, just hassling you a bit because it’s funny.
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Roberto Clemente sacrificed for BLM? Whoa, way to get ahead of the curve on that one, buddy! I knew he was awesome but that's incredible! (read the post you quoted more closely)
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Not the other side at all but if you haven't seen The Athletic's roundtable with Black former MLB players, it's definitely worth a click. It also includes two Twins players, Hunter and Hawkins. https://theathletic.com/1849574/2020/06/02/a-conversation-retired-african-american-mlb-players-on-race-baseball-america/
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My wife is an attorney, I'm well aware why corporations settle lawsuits. And it's usually *not* because they're 100% free of guilt.
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Yikes, this is a bad take. The NFL literally settled a lawsuit Kap filed against them, accusing the league and teams of blackballing him during the prime years of his career. Is losing the prime years of one's career, a profession that only exists on a very short timeline, not a sacrifice to you?
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Great post, thank you for contributing.
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Now you’re just inventing scenarios that may not exist. There is no reason to demand sacrifice to make a statement, much less create an artificial sacrifice for no real reason.
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Again, it’s not an empty gesture when many players have said the point of sitting out games is to redirect attention to real events happening all around us.
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This... doesn’t make sense. People have asserted there should be consequences, yet no one has actually said why that’s the case when both players and ownership seem to be on the same page here.
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No, it’s not. Several players across various sports have said sitting out is about creating awareness and quieting the sports world so Americans can dedicate their attention to the events surrounding us right now, which is more important than watching men and women hit and throw sports balls. No sacrifice is needed to make that statement. A league imposed artificial sacrifice does the opposite, as it gives the optics of a bunch of rich white owners telling young black and Latino athletes to shut up and entertain us while Rome burns.
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Well, that’s what happened so I’m not sure what your argument is here. The players decided to not play, the front office and ownership supported them in that decision, so we’re all good here.
