Jump to content
Twins Daily
  • Create Account
  • Twins News & Analysis

    The End Of The Road


    Nick Nelson

    When Torii Hunter made his major-league debut for the Twins in August of 1997, Flip Saunders had recently completed his first full season as head coach of the Timberwolves, in which he led the team to its first ever playoff berth.

    That period marked the start of two careers in sport that would transform each man into a local legend. They followed their own distinct paths, branching out in different directions, but ultimately converged back where it all started so many years ago.

    As it turns out, that is also where both roads would come to an end.

    Image courtesy of Jeffrey Becker, USA Today

    Twins Video

    When Hunter was donning an MLB jersey for the first time and the Wolves were just getting started on a lengthy run of first-round playoff exits, I was an 11-year-old boy in his formative years as a sports fan.

    I became a Wolves fan while Flip was leading the team to (albeit fruitless) postseason berths year after year. I became a far more hardcore Twins fan while Hunter was entrenched as the one enduring constant on four division-winning clubs from 2002 through 2006.

    Needless to say, the last couple days have struck me with a lot of emotions. On Monday, Hunter announced that he has decided to end his career as a player, one day after Saunders' career as a coach and executive was tragically cut short.

    I have always been a huge Flip Saunders fan. He did big things for a Timberwolves franchise that lacked an identity until he (and a kid named Kevin Garnett) gave them one. And now, after returning, he has created the foundation for what could very well be an even better run.

    But what I truly admired was the fact that Flip was, at his core, a total rube.

    I'll never forget listening to sports talk radio while riding in the passenger seat of my dad's car and hearing some riled up host ranting on the Wolves, only to be refuted by an animated Saunders who had (of course) been listening, and called in to defend himself. It was amazing, and it was not an infrequent occurrence.

    That part of Flip never really went away. Up until the last few months, he was still doing weekly spots with Dan Barreiro; the "Friday Funkadelic" was my favorite thing on the radio, by far. Here you had the general manager AND head coach of the local pro basketball team, yukking it up on drivetime radio, sometimes deflecting Barreiro's probes for inside tidbits with a chuckle, and sometimes slyly dropping illuminating insights.

    Flip's death on Sunday was a profoundly sad event, and one that hit me hard personally as I look ahead to my 30th birthday on Thursday. He was only 60, and that sure doesn't seem as old to me as it once did now that I'm checking in at the halfway point.

    Hunter's retirement on Monday, conversely, brought out a vastly different set of feelings. It isn't a cause for somber reflection, but rather a cause for celebration. His career was exceptional, and he ended it on his terms. He probably did the Twins a favor, robbing them of the temptation to try and squeeze one more year out of a popular yet declining veteran, at a point where he really isn't a logical fit.

    Hunter's return this year, and this week's retirement announcement, stir up a strong cocktail of mixed emotions. On the one hand, I have always loved him as a player. He was an incredibly consistent force in center field as Minnesota ushered in a new era of competitive baseball. Every year, Hunter hit around 25 home runs and posted an OPS around .800. Every year he added another Gold Glove to his shelf, establishing himself as an all-time Web Gem king.

    And while I wasn't exactly enamored with his return this season from a purely baseball standpoint, there's just no denying that his decision to finish his career here is pretty damn cool. I mean, think about it. Through 18 big-league seasons and eight postseason appearances, Hunter has NEVER been to the World Series. He passed up a chance to play for the Royals, who went to the big dance last year and are back there now, opting instead for a blatantly rebuilding team coming off four straight 90-loss seasons, almost solely out of loyalty and deep-rooted affinity.

    But this is where the internal conflict arises. Because on the other hand, Hunter has said some things off the field that have really rubbed me the wrong way. And while I'm very much accustomed to setting aside the personal dispositions and quirks of professional athletes in order to enjoy them as performers, some of his outspoken remarks regarding gay marriage and homosexuality in general have been off-putting to me on a rather visceral level.

    But as the passing of Saunders on Sunday reminds, life is short. Too short for grudges, and for harping on negative traits. I may disagree with Hunter vehemently on a matter that I find important, but I don't presume his viewpoints stem from hatred – more likely a rigidly engrained belief system.

    Last Friday, when he interviewed Terry Ryan for the Offseason Handbook, our Parker Hageman asked the general manager about Hunter's impact, and the response was unsurprisingly filled with praise.

    As a follow-up, Parker asked whether Ryan would seek to replace Hunter's veteran presence in the event that the outfielder chose to retire.

    The GM fumbled for words a bit. "Well, we'll see what happens, I don't know," he said tersely. "Let's see what happens before we worry about replacing him."

    Ryan could not have been surprised by Monday's announcement – by all accounts, Hunter's leaning was no secret – but still it was a difficult reality to come to grips with, and not just for the GM, as this tweet from La Velle E. Neal alludes:

    https://twitter.com/LaVelleNeal/status/658827874393305088

    The positive sentiment toward Hunter stretches well beyond the Twins' front office, extending to his teammates, his opponents, his coaches and the media members that cover him. He smiles infectiously, embraces a leadership role, and played the game awfully hard for nearly two decades.

    Hunter styled himself after Kirby Puckett, and he didn't come all that short of matching Puck's transcendent presence on the baseball field.

    But like Puckett, Hunter is not without flaws. My disagreeing with his views isn't going to change them. I hope that he becomes more enlightened over time in that regard but either way I'm not going to dwell on his opinion.

    Instead, I'll appreciate the spectacular things he did on the field, and the allegiance he ultimately showed to the Twins organization, while looking forward to seeing his next move in the game.

    Where one road ends, another begins.

    Follow Twins Daily For Minnesota Twins News & Analysis

    Recent Twins Articles

    Recent Twins Videos

    Twins Top Prospects

    Marek Houston

    Cedar Rapids Kernels - A+, SS
    The 22-year-old went 2-for-5 on Friday night, his fourth straight multi-hit game. Heading into the week, he was hitting .246/.328/.404 (.732). Four games later, he is hitting .303/.361/.447 (.808).

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Featured Comments

    You can hate an opinion without hating the person. Hell, its important to do that so you can work to change their mind.

     

    Fiercely defining a person by one mistake or one belief is a dangerous, and more than a bit preposterous, stance.

    Edited by TheLeviathan

     

    You can hate an opinion without hating the person. Hell, its important to do that so you can work to change their mind.

    Fiercely defining a person by one mistake or one belief is a dangerous, and more than a bit preposterous, stance.

     

    Well stated.  Frankly, there's way too much"Burn the Witch" intolerance going on in this country all the way around. Just take a look at history to the countless atrocities against humanity that are often the end result of taking the matter of a difference of opinion- to stigmatization- to hate- to persecution.

    Still looking for anyone in this thread saying he should not be allowed to voice his opinion, or to play baseball......I don't see it.

     

    I see some people rooting for him, and saying we shouldn't think at all about what an entertainer does "off screen" at all. I see others questioning that. I see some willing to admit to conflicting feelings, and others feeling there is only some kind of bizarre world of black and white (on both sides).

     

    But I don't see anyone saying he shouldn't be allowed to voice his opinion, or to have a job.

    Edited by Mike Sixel

    Still looking for anyone in this thread saying he should not be allowed to voice his opinion, or to play baseball......I don't see it.

     

    I see some people rooting for him, and saying we shouldn't think at all about what an entertainer does "off screen" at all. I see others questioning that. I see some willing to admit to conflicting feelings, and others feeling there is only some kind of bizarre world of black and white (on both sides).

     

    But I don't see anyone saying he shouldn't be allowed to voice his opinion, or to have a job.

    Agreed 100%

    A few of the "defenders" arguments seem a little like those of the curt schilling defenders.(though to be fair what schilling has been doing is much more inflammatory and dangerous IMO)

    Also fwiw: I think a lot of people's issue with hunter isn't that he made the comments, but that he continually doubled down on them (then basically crapped all over the media when they tried to ask him about it)

     

    America and especially sports in America love to forgive folks, if he came out and said something along the lines of "these are beliefs I grew up with etc, but I have heard from others that it might be offensive, I am working to learn more about the issues" people would by and large forget about it.

    Just 3 years ago, 47% of the voters in Minnesota agreed with Hunter and voted against same-sex marriage.  I hope we don't classify 47% of our population as horrible people.  

     

    Hunter was a great Twins player, I'm glad he was able to finish his career here.  Look forward to seeing him go into the Twins HOF.

     

    Excellent post!

    Also fwiw: I think a lot of people's issue with hunter isn't that he made the comments, but that he continually doubled down on them (then basically crapped all over the media when they tried to ask him about it)

    America and especially sports in America love to forgive folks, if he came out and said something along the lines of "these are beliefs I grew up with etc, but I have heard from others that it might be offensive, I am working to learn more about the issues" people would by and large forget about it.

     

    If you feel strongly about something, you obviously are going to double down on it. Newflash: athletes are going to say some things you don't agree with just like the rest of the general public. Given the platform athletes have, if you're scared of what an answer may be, don't ask the question.

     

    If you feel strongly about something, you obviously are going to double down on it. Newflash: athletes are going to say some things you don't agree with just like the rest of the general public. Given the platform athletes have, if you're scared of what an answer may be, don't ask the question.

    Hunter came out and used his star power to endorse a candidate in part because the candidate was going to fight gay marriage.  That wasn't a case of anyone asking Hunter his thoughts on a subject, that was him going out of his way to endorse a candidate that would attempt to suppress the rights of a whole group of people.  So we can stop with the whole, 'if you don't want an answer don't ask the question' defense, because it hold zero water. 

     

    People have a right to their opinion but when a person uses his influence to try and suppress the rights of people who don't agree with his point of view, that is something else.  That isn't just having an opinion, it's actively trying to push his opinions onto others.

    Edited by jimmer

    If you feel strongly about something, you obviously are going to double down on it. Newflash: athletes are going to say some things you don't agree with just like the rest of the general public. Given the platform athletes have, if you're scared of what an answer may be, don't ask the question.

    Note:

    Nobody asked hunter the question until he had already come out and stated his stance numerous times without provocation.

    Hunter came out and used his star power to endorse a candidate in part because the candidate was going to fight gay marriage.  That wasn't a case of anyone asking Hunter his thoughts on a subject, that was him going out of his way to endorse a candidate that would attempt to suppress the rights of a whole group of people.  So we can stop with the whole, 'if you don't want an answer don't ask the question' defense, because it hold zero water. 

     

    People have a right to their opinion but when a person uses his influence to try and suppress the rights of people who don't agree with his point of view, that is something else.  That isn't just having an opinion, it's actively trying to push his opinions onto others.

     

    I was referring to when he "doubled down" on it by answering the question in the press conference. That would have been the act of doubling down on it. He has every right to endorse a candidate if he so chooses, just like you have every right to vote for the candidate you want and go out and publicly campaign for him/her.

    Note:

    Nobody asked hunter the question until he had already come out and stated his stance numerous times without provocation.

     

    47% of voters in MN in 2012 agreed with him. It's not like what he said is something so completely outlandish that 95% of the state of MN disagrees with him.

     

    I was referring to when he "doubled down" on it by answering the question in the press conference. That would have been the act of doubling down on it. He has every right to endorse a candidate if he so chooses, just like you have every right to vote for the candidate you want and go out and publicly campaign for him/her.

    There was nothing wrong with Bernadino asked.  He asked if Hunter thought his very public views may have affected his FA process.  For example, would the Giants have even thought about getting him knowing the kind of backlash the fans might have given? It's a legitimate baseball question.  

     

    And he used his celebrity to try and suppress the rights of a whole group of people. I have no such celebrity and if I did, I wouldn't use it to push a candidate that wants to discriminate against a whole group of people.

    Edited by jimmer

     

    47% of voters in MN in 2012 agreed with him. It's not like what he said is something so completely outlandish that 95% of the state of MN disagrees with him.

    I wonder what % of voters in MN back in the day agreed with people who thought segregation and slavery were a good idea too?  Discrimination is discrimination.

    There was nothing wrong with Bernadino asked.  He asked if Hunter thought his very public views may have affected his FA process.  For example, would the Giants have even thought about getting him knowing the kind of backlash the fans might have given? It's a legitimate baseball question.  

     

    And he used his celebrity to try and suppress the rights of a whole group of people. I have no such celebrity and if I did, I wouldn't use it to push a candidate that wants to discriminate against a whole group of people.

     

    Mike's question was a bit ridiculous because other than SF, there's no other city ever his views would've affected his free agent process.

     

    Are you trying to say that you think the percentage in 2015 would be drastically different?

    I'm saying back when these ideas were hugely popular, would 47% of MN agreeing with it make it okay? 

     

    Did you know that until 1967, 16 states still had it on the books that inter-racial marriages were illegal? Alabama didn't take it officially off the books until 2000 and that over half a million voted against Alabama's repeal of the anti-miscegenation laws?

    Edited by jimmer
    I'm saying back when these ideas were hugely popular, would 47% of MN agreeing with it make it okay? 

     

    Did you know that until 1967, 16 states still had it on the books that inter-racial marriages were illegal? Alabama didn't take it officially off the books until 2000 and that over half a million voted against Alabama's repeal of the anti-miscegenation laws?

     

    Much to your surprise I did!

     

    I wonder what % of voters in MN back in the day agreed with people who thought segregation and slavery were a good idea too?  Discrimination is discrimination.

    Agree, doesn't matter if it's 47% or 95%, it would be wrong.  But since I'm not up for sainthood anytime soon, it's seems like after a very good career and the day after announcing his retirement, this probably isn't what this board should be about.

     

    And Bernadino had every right to ask the question the first time, but after the second and third time, you are kind of being a P_ _ _ _.

    Lotta hate in this thread. People would be well served looking in the mirror before jumping all over somebody else.

    the minute I appear in a pair political ad for someone I will look in the mirror, until then, this isn't even an apples and oranges comparison, it's a Boones farm and Orange Juice comparison.

     

    Also I haven't seen any "hate" fwiw, I have been hunters biggest critic in this regard but I have repeatedly said I loved what he did as a player for this team (top ten franchise history, team HOF etc)

     

    I bet if this was Chuck knoblauch though people wouldn't be as quick to defend...(all he did was demand a trade from the twins at the time) all the other stuff (Terrible stuff no doubt) came out long after the twins fans had thrown stuff at him on the field etc

    Edited by DaveW

    Moderator note - please tone down the personal attacks and bickering.  I just deleted a bunch of posts and we will start handing out infraction points if the bickering continues.

     

    I appreciate the strong convictions on both sides of this, but the integrity of our forums depends on keeping the discussion RESPECTFUL.

     




    Create an account or sign in to comment

    You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create an account

    Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

    Register a new account

    Sign in

    Already have an account? Sign in here.

    Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...