spideyo Provisional Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 The other part of that too, is that Ryan didn't technically fire anybody, he merely chose not to renew contracts. Gardy and Andy happen to have another year. They're paying them that year wether they coach or not, why not let them ride it out, see if they turn it around. If not, come end of the season you just let them walk and bring in new folks, who aren't going to feel quite as much pressure as they would if they came into a situation where a GM had made a mid-season firing or had fired ALL the coaches at once. It also looks better from a PR standpoint. And for all that some folks here hate Gardy, there are plenty of fans who don't, and they aren't going to want to "rock the boat" with the fans any more than absolutley nesc. Remember, Twins fans as a whole aren't used to management turn over. For people 25 and under, there have only been TWO Twins managers in their entire life. For better or worse, that is the Twins culture, and you can't just change it overnight without risking serious blowback from the community.
Shane Wahl Verified Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Sorry if I missed this as I didn't read through all of the posts, but I have to wonder if the entire rotation needs a different warmup approach, because these first innings are OUT OF CONTROL. I always thought that warming up for awhile, sitting down (like for equivalent of half an innings) and then warming up again some right before game time was a way some pitchers and pitching coaches addressed DEBACLES in the first inning. Any thoughts?
Brock Beauchamp Site Manager Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Sorry if I missed this as I didn't read through all of the posts, but I have to wonder if the entire rotation needs a different warmup approach, because these first innings are OUT OF CONTROL. I always thought that warming up for awhile, sitting down (like for equivalent of half an innings) and then warming up again some right before game time was a way some pitchers and pitching coaches addressed DEBACLES in the first inning. Any thoughts? So you're saying "shotgun a beer, pat 'em on the ass, and yell 'Go get 'em, tiger!" isn't a solid pre-game routine?
IdahoPilgrim Provisional Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Sorry if I missed this as I didn't read through all of the posts, but I have to wonder if the entire rotation needs a different warmup approach, because these first innings are OUT OF CONTROL. I always thought that warming up for awhile, sitting down (like for equivalent of half an innings) and then warming up again some right before game time was a way some pitchers and pitching coaches addressed DEBACLES in the first inning. Any thoughts? That was a question I raised yesterday, in a forum thread asking about their 1st inning ERA (9.something) and what was behind that.
fittdogg Provisional Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Which starting pitcher under Rick Anderson's tutelage has actually improved since coming up from the minor leagues? I'm having trouble coming up with any names.
mcrow Provisional Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 I think it's just getting to the point where a total gutting of the team is probably going to be needed to turn it around. I don't think Gardy or Anderson is really the problem but I think the organization needs a "reset" button hit.
spideyo Provisional Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 We kinda already have gone through a gutting. Only Mauer, Morneau, Duensing and Perkins were on the 2010 team, and Plouffe and Diamond are the only others that have been on the team since 2011.
mcrow Provisional Member Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 We kinda already have gone through a gutting. Only Mauer, Morneau, Duensing and Perkins were on the 2010 team, and Plouffe and Diamond are the only others that have been on the team since 2011. I was thinking more from the coaching end, which has been partially done.
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