JB_Iowa Verified Member Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/bronson-arroyo-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery.html Puts another twist on the last off-season.
Willihammer Provisional Member Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I thought only max effort guys hurt their elbows?
zwiefz Verified Member Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 On the same day that Nolasco has to get an MRI? Is this the baseball god's way of reminding Twins fans who are about to jump off a cliff that things could always be worse?
iTwins Verified Member Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 You know it's been a rough year on pitchers when Bronson Arroyo needs TJ surgery. We're back to death and taxes being the only certainties in life.
nicksaviking Community Moderator Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I thought only max effort guys hurt their elbows? Right, he was supposedly Mr. Consistancy with the age caveat. So was Nolasco, minus the age caveat. Whether it is free agency or the draft, people seriously over-estimate the high floor of some of the "safe" arms and injury is only a part of the reason they may not live up to the moderate expectations. Always go for high ceiling, floor be damned!
twinsfan34 Provisional Member Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Of all the SP who got $10M+ per year and for 2 or more years this past Free Agency: Ubaldo...leads MLB in BB'shttp://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jimenub01.shtml Nolasco...leads MLB in Hits & ER allowedhttp://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nolasri01.shtml Garza's shutout last week lowered his ERA below 4.00 for the first time in awhile...http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garzama01.shtml Arroyo's numbers...http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arroybr01.shtml Ervin Santana...ERA just under 4http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/santaer01.shtml Scott Feldman...ERA just under 4 as well http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/feldmsc01.shtml Bartolo Colon...ERA just over 4.http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/colonba01.shtml And the best of the bunch... Tim Hudson...ERA at 2.53http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hudsoti01.shtml Scott Kazmirhttp://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kazmisc01.shtml So at this point...that list would look something like this. 1. Kazmir2. Hudson3. Feldman4. Garza5. Santana6. Arroyo7. Colon8. Ubaldo9. Nolasco
biggentleben Verified Member Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I'd take Santana pretty high up there. It all still counts, but he has been left out there to take some abuse and eat innings by the Braves this year when their bullpen was tired, so his ERA has bumped up a bit from outings where he should have been out in the 4th inning, but he went 7, giving up another few runs, to help stretch the bullpen. He's pitched very well in Atlanta, as his FIP of 3.18 shows. His peripherals are even a tick better than they were in Kansas City last year.
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