nicksaviking
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How do they conflict? They paid for good players that helped them win when they thought they could afford them and the fans were happy. Now one year later they think they can't afford them so the logical outcome is that they would win less and the fans aren't happy. We as fans didn't know this was going to happen then, if we did know they were going to start 'right sizing', most people here would have said a 10 year deal for Correa with a de-escalating payroll would be foolish. The conflict stems from the 2022 Twins ownership having absolutely no clue or care that the 2023 Twins ownership (who was the SAME GUY) was going to demand payroll cuts. Yeah, it is a harsh reaction. Joe Pohald, Dave St. Peter and anyone else involved in this situation have no business running any company let alone a professional sports team. This was pure and utter incompetence. So now, why would anyone want people who were that out of touch with reality making decisions that will impact this organization's future?- 110 replies
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At the time they said they couldn't have a retraceable roof because there wasn't room due to the Hennepin incinerator that sits north of the site. The plan is to decommission that incinerator now, still, I'd guess there'd be little apatite to spend money retrofitting the stadium and adding that feature now.
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Right, the team might want to start by not stinking up the joint in April. Having a good team may not be as compelling as the illusion of having a good team. When you don't start winning until June, I'm guessing you'll have enough casual fans that have forgotten about you by then. Also, being on actual TVs in more homes is probably a better advertisement for going to the games than a DQ hat night giveaway.
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As for the original post, I don't think there's any 'going for it' this year. They aren't raising payroll and I can't imagine anyone is under the illusion that a low budget free agent will make this team a contender. Stripping the team to the studs (or non-studs in athlete terms) to make the cashflow attractive to new owners is my main concern.
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I agree, but that's why I didn't like him getting this new role. Is his path to future employment, specifically here in MN, going to be based more on on-field success, or prudent financial management? With his prior position, I'd have said absolutely the first, now I'm concerned it's leaning toward the second one.
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Yeah, I don't like it but I get it. The problem the Twins have that these other teams don't, is that the Twins 'reality' dramatically changed in 2023. Had the original reality been that they were not only going to stop increasing payroll, but start chopping it, they never would have/should have signed Correa, Buxton and/or Lopez in the first place. Either by poor communication, poor planning, indecision or extreme ineptitude they didn't figure that out. Removing these actual good players will hurt the team. I have no interest in having them try to 'fix' this as there's little reason to believe the 'poor communication, poor planning, indecision or extreme ineptitude' part has changed. They should meddle as little as possible to meet their financial goals, then let the new leadership figure the rest out.
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That WAR is entirely defense. If Twins fans haven't figured out that you should never pay a premium for a glove only player, then they haven't been paying attention for the last two decades. Yes, I think Toronto made a huge blunder here. I wouldn't want Gimenez on this team any more than I'd want Amed Rosario. To your point, trading bad players on rough contracts should always be a goal. Trading good players on rough contracts more than likely doesn't help your win percentage. At least not next year.
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Yeah, I'm not high on Martin at all, but when it comes to not getting the job done, I'll take the unknown over the known.
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Gimenez is a terrible hitter with an even more terrible contract. That move is like the Twins getting out from under the Christian Vazquez mistake, not Correa, Lopez or the other good players people are talking about moving. Whether Cleveland had a 60M payroll or a 200M payroll, moving Gimenez was a good decision.
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But so is betting on Rosario. We're talking about a slap hitter who somehow only managed to draw !9! walks last year. This is Ben Revere/Willians Astudillo levels of frustratingly empty plate appearances.
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I'm quite confident you have the intentions wrong here, particularly in regards to Tampa. They aren't trading star players to put a better team on the field. They are trading them to keep payroll low and they are HOPING it it doesn't impact their record too much. When it comes to trading star players, the team doing the selling comes up with the short end of the stick in the vast majority of the trades.
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Right, but every time the Twins sign a 'utility player', he ends up playing 130 games. So not exactly a utility player. Hard pass for me.
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If this team solely focuses on getting a catcher in return, instead of the best player in return, it's doomed to be a myopic and disastrous move. Not that I have any interest in trading Lopez, especially for prospects. Prove you can get enough of these guys going before you go out and get more. I don't know why Boston or Baltimore or Sacramento's young players are any more likely to hit than the ones already in house.
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And not that it's going to happen, but Festa and Matthews have options (and Varland should be in the pen). It's unlikely but possible this guy could get some early season starts to cover for an injury or while the internal young guys build themselves up. The one thing I do like about Rule V players is that it makes the Twins go against their conservative base instinct. Play him now or cut bait, they have to be decisive; fence straddling isn't an option here.
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Crochet to Boston - The Dream for Kyle Teel is Dead
nicksaviking replied to Vanimal46's topic in Other Baseball
Here's hoping the Chicago rebuild goes about as well as that last one where the rest of the division was needlessly worried about the haul of Cease, Jimenez, Giolito, Dunning, Lopez, Moncada and Kopech being a dynasty for the next decade. -
I wasn't interested in diving into the Rule V pool. But this guy looks pretty intriguing. I am kind of interested after all.
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Yeah, I've heard other national guys suggest tagging him too and someone on KFAN specifically said Darnold doesn't have it in his contract to avoid it. Not sure I'd trade him unless I'm convinced McCarthy is legit, but that's a great option to have.
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Reports are that the A's tried to sign him to get up to the required payroll the MLBPA and other owners are forcing on them. I hope no free agents are willing to go there and instead the A's are forced to give out some unconventional extensions to their young hitters that deserve raises but won't get them due to the current system.
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Yeah, I'm all over the idea of tagging him now. I'm not sure 3 for 100M gets it done anyway, as that was Baker Mayfield's deal last year. Mayfield proved to be a bargain, Darnold has been better and is younger than Mayfield last year, this QB draft class is significantly weaker and there's no Kirk Cousins in free agency. Darnold might get closer to last year's Cousins deal. Tagging him all but eliminates getting tied to a fluke and I don't know that you'd save a ton by waiting a year for an extension if that's what's called for in the end.
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Yeah, that's a lot to give up for a corner bat with only modest power numbers. Not sure what Toronto is thinking either. Was Toronto ONLY looking at Gimenez's 2022 numbers?!? Come 2027 this guy will be making 23M per year through 2029!
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Ugh, not happy Cleveland got out from under one of their poor decisions. That upcoming contract looks really, really bad for a glove only (mostly) 2B.
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And not just getting the star players in free agency, but being able to keep the ones they develop should they chose too.
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Right, but that's due to some NBA clubs being better run than others. Market size has much less impact in that league.
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The bottom feeders are going to continue to get worse and worse TV deals with the worse and worse teams they continue to field due to the inequity. At a certain point, these owners who always say that they aren't profiting will actually be telling the truth if they continue down this path. Billionaires don't keep or buy unprofitable businesses, they liquidate them to their competitors.
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You don't have to break them, just make it worth their while. As much as they say "no' right now, establishing a firm salary floor within say, 30M of the cap should get them to the table. If not, the inevitable threat of contraction will.
