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I don't doubt your feelings on the trade. I was actually applauding the Twins for taking the risk because it was not a bad trade (to me) at the time. I looked at it like the Delmon/Garza deal in a way. Set a guy free from an organization and see what that does. The Capps-Ramos deal made me absolutely nuts. I guess this one elicited a similar vibe with you

No, I did not discard for that reason. I discarded it because it was irrelevant. One link was from 2016 (completely irrelevant) and the other outlined the results in gubernatorial races. Not the same thing as Trump by a longshot (although I tried to make a concession and said maybe there is a connection) Notice also how I have mocked anyone. This has been interesting to say the least. I vowed never to do this, but here I go. It is time for dinner and I might not be back tonight. Maybe we can pick this up again sometime.

By the way, the NAACP conducted a poll where Trump's approval rating was 21% in August https://www.naacp.org/latest/new-poll-nations-competitive-races-may-hinge-trumps-racism/

I read that, Brock. I am well aware of the Rasmussen Poll and I do not cite it for reasons I already explained. That link pokes a hole in nothing. It is kind of telling that you use one of the most liberal papers in the land. The same one that had to offer a mea cupla for ripping Nick Sandman for having a smug look on his face. Not that I think EVERYTHING the Washington Post is garbage, but I am at least trying to find use somewhat neutral sources. Try doing the same

I gave you your link, Brock. The You Tube stuff exists and a few of you guys mock the videos, pretty much mocking the people who made them. That's not cool. Why is so outlandish to realize #walkaway and Blexit are real and blacks are moving toward conservatism?

Guys, your clowing is weak now. https://blexit.com/

Neither of your links apply. Gubernatorial races have exactly what to do with Trump's approval rating among blacks? Maybe there is an indirect correlation someplace, maybe not. The second one is from 2016. Completely irrelevant to the discussion.

YOu ought to look into how blacks feel about sanctuary cities, "the wall" and the economy. You make a good point at the end. How many of these polls utilize the opinions of voters? I have this from NBC/Wall Street Journal. Brock said the African American approval rating was 6% or 8% percent in a response to me. Mind you, he did that without citing his source and he demanded I produce a source. I didn't want to because I am pretty busy with a couple of things and I don't want to start a firestorm here, but what the heck. As of a couple of weeks ago the Wall Street Journal reflects and African American approval rating of 13%. Rasmussen had it as high as 36% months ago, but I am looking for something closer to the truth https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5756864-19062-NBCWSJ-February-Poll.html **It should be noted the poll interviewed more democrats than republicans Finally, I have to ask you about the underlined and streamline the term "minority" down to African Americans. Why do you say African Americans would have a difficult time in his administration? Is it in part because other blacks in congress view them as "token" members? https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/03/03/aoc-tries-to-scold-charles-payne-for-asking-about-black-staff-runs-into-raging-buzzsaws-from-him-and-others-candace-owens-unloads-729323

Try reading? Excuse me. You don't want to hear it so you won't do the reading. It isn't up to me to provide links. I am not fool enough to think I can convince anyone here by posting by posting links from Thomas Sowell (read a lot of him), Walter Williams, Larry Elder, Deroy Murdock, Ben Carson, etc...etc,. It's a pain in the neck to even do that. Have you tried researching and reading in this area? What do you know about the African American ethos. You say "African American leaders". What does that even mean? Is Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell an African American leader or is it Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton? As far as #walkaway goes. If they are not walking toward the right, where are they walking?

You are saying he was manipulated or compensated for in some way to make that video? That is quite a leap to take. It is almost as though you believe it is impossible for a black man to believe something different from what you would expect. I love it

I am not interested in having a debate about polls. My comment on African Americans had nothing to do with polls and you are putting different two things together. I am talking about a how I see a growing movement of blacks turning away from the democratic party in various forms of social media I have seen literally dozens of these walkaway videos from African Americans and all of them have tons of likes and very few dislikes. Do you even care what these people are saying? I have great interest in this and I never seen so many videos on YouTube from African Americans speaking out like this. They are actually speaking out against the democratic party and how they are leaving. Many of them were not aware of the fact that the democratic party was the slavery party and the KKK party. How the democratic party has dominated some of the poorest, downtrodden cities like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore....how they voted for Obama and that he went against a lot of the traditional Christian values they were raised with. I find it interesting that so many of these videos have cropped up in the last couple of years. I think it takes courage for them to step out like this because wearing MAGA apparel is actually dangerous in certain situations. If you want to shrug that off then shrug it off. I am not trying to convince you of anything. Have your views, but don't pretend for a second that there isn't a movement toward conservatism for African Americans during this last year. Evidence of this is all over the Internet if you choose to look. You are asking me to measure that. I am telling you go watch for yourself. I think it is refreshing to see African American people choosing not to operate on a default mechanism. As far as polls go, you know how that game goes. I don't rely on them and I posted the poll only to illustrate this site is not mainstream or centrist. It is on par, in my opinion, to a cite that would be utterly dominated by MAGA hat wearing Trump supporters. It's the same thing, just the other side of the spectrum here. The fact is it is the evidence is incontrovertible that this site is overwhelmingly anti-Trump. That is indisputable. I didn't feel the need to actually prove it, but I wanted to say it. That's all. I am not a proprietor of this site, nor am I an administrator like you are. Be that as it may, you cannot dispute that the #Walkaway movement doesn't exist or that a growing number of videos from African Americans rebuking the democratic party are surfacing online. For them to sit down and talk for 10, 20, 30 minutes or more and proclaim this is significant. That is the reasoning behind why I see African American support for Trump is increasing in number, as unscientific as that might be. You take the last word.

Are we agreeing?

Not referencing any poll, Brock. I am speaking of the amount of videos surfacing with blacks making testimonals about how they are walking away from the democratic party. Watch this video as an example. The video might be instructive for you as to what I said. Check out the likes compared to the dislikes, look at the comments and listen to what the guy says about Minneapolis in particular. Uh-huh. You didn't cite a source with those numbers and you are asking me to. I suppose I can cite polls and I tried to, but it is a little dubious. You can post numbers that fit your view and I can counter with another one. What is the point? I tried to bow out of this and you quote me. Why? It is just too one-sided and I guess that was point. I read pages and pages of stuff here but it was pretty homogenous. I did not even vote for Trump, by the way. I am a moderate by every measure. My nephew even had me take a political test and it had me even a little to the left. Just to give you an idea of how extreme the left has gotten. Seems as if the far left, the louder part of the left, has taken over. And NOW I walk to walk away from politics talk here. Allow me that and don't get too upset if I don't respond. I would rather discuss baseball here, not this stuff. You can hardly be a centrist in this joint. I'll leave you with another good one. 9.7K likes and 30 dislikes

No anger in my post, John I just don't get all the grousing about the trade because it isn't like Hicks fits on this club now. What are we supposed to do with him if we could have him back? I could care less who claims to be right or wrong. I admitted I misread that one myself. This discussion was shut down in the past and I stayed out of it. It's starting up again now and I didn't start it. If that's me guilty of "rhetoric" then guilty as charged. I am out on this one (and I ain't even mad at anyone)

Dude, you posted a link to a thread that thread was closed because of all the "told you so and now you gotta eat crow" stuff. You want to serve more crow? Fine. I supported that trade at the time so what does that make me? It makes me a guy who can admit he's wrong or does it make me an *******? Looks to me like Howie admitted his take was not right. Anyone in on any thread regarding Hicks over the last two years probably is familiar with your disdain for the trade and your love of Hicks and that is a wonderful thing. I generally don't like or root for players who play for the Yankees. Maybe it's different for you. It certainly is for DaveW, but this Hicks stuff begs question.... Where does he fit on this team? Honestly. You want to dump Kepler, Buxton or Rosario or are you trying to say we can have them all. Who is the 4th outfielder and how does that work for these four players still in their 20s?

I might be in Ft. Myers next month, but I have no interest in seeking him out on the matter since he has nothing to do with it. It is more about those who spin the yarn.

For me it is almost patronizing, especially with players of color.

Absolutely, I do. I expect Lews to be a whole lot better than Revere, but so much was made about Ben and his smile. Who cares? Honestly

I am at the point where it is more like …..Whatever.

Exactly this. Not trying to discredit the players, but they don't meet my standard as HOFers. I need to see better career numbers. As for Molina, he doesn't even have ,2,000 hits and his career OPS is .740. Mauer also has weak offensive totals. He cannot be regarded as a catcher. Not when half of his at bats came from 1B/DH. Then again, the HOF is now a joke to me because of the Baines induction. The standards have lowered so it would not surprise me to see both Molina and Mauer get inducted

There is no denying there is SOMETHING different about him and there sure needed to be. But at the same time lakes and ponds are still frozen. I have to see this kind of thing in April to put the demons to bed. He has started off every season horribly. While I am encourage by this barrage out of the gate I am going to take a wait and see approach. If he can hit well in April that will do a lot to get me on the bandwagon

I appreciate your honesty and I think you understand that I was not trying to say your opinion is biased. I was not trying to say or prove anyone's opinion is biased. That is different from what I said, I've clarified that a few times and I hope that is good enough for those who said I wasn't clear. If it is still unclear to anyone please PM me. I am not going to go through it again and again here.

When sampling data to remove bias it's done randomly. This forum cannot be used to represent anything regarding the public sentiment for Trunp due to selection bias. It would be like asking people attending a Red Sox game at Fenway if they are Yankee fans. There is a bias due to the sample. Pretty simple stuff

I don't think it does, but that is fine. We can agree to disagree on that

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