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Ranking prospects is a difficult task and everyone has a bit of a different methodology. This series isn’t meant to be critical of any of the other lists out there, it’s all about presenting a positive case for the featured player. We’re starting at the bottom of my list and working up. Here’s a look at what’s on deck: Range 41-50 spotlight: Zander Wiel, No. 48 Range 31-40 spotlight: Coming Nov. 28 Range 21-30 spotlight: Coming Dec. 5 Range 11-20 spotlight: Coming Dec. 12 Range 1-10 spotlight: Coming Dec. 19 Zander Wiel has put up strong numbers in each of his first two full seasons in the Twins system, so what’s keeping him off of most prospect lists? Well, he’s just not a guy you can pin super lofty dreams on. Drafted in the 12th round out of Vanderbilt in 2015, Wiel has been old for his level at each stop of his minor league career thus far. The fact that he’s also a first baseman certainly doesn’t help his prospect stock, either. Wiel remained in Fort Myers for the entire 2017 season, and will enter this coming year as a 25-year-old with no experience above High-A. But, that exact same thing could’ve been said about Mitch Garver as he entered the 2016 season. While you can’t simply compare two guys and assume similar progressions, it is pretty interesting to look at Wiel’s 2017 results versus Garver’s 2015 numbers. Wiel 2017 (528 PAs with Fort Myers) .250/.344/.429 (.773 OPS) 13 HR, 11.8 BB%, 19.9 K% Garver 2015 (520 PAs with Fort Myers) .245/.356/.333 (.668 OPS) 4 HR, 13.3 BB%, 15.8 K% Garver’s sterling walk-to-strikeout rate stands out, but Wiel’s power numbers are far superior. Obviously, Garver played the much more demanding defensive position, but I still see reasons to be intrigued by Wiel. While 13 home runs may not seem like a ton on the surface, Wiel was tied for third in the Florida State League with that mark and only six other players in the Twins minor league system went deep more often in 2017. It was also the first time a Miracle hitter cracked double-digit homers since Adam Brett Walker slugged 25 in 2014. Wiel was tied for third in the FSL with 62 walks, which was also the third-highest total in the system, trailing only Jonathan Rodriguez (81) and LaMonte Wade (76). Who doesn’t love a guy who can hit for power and draw walks? The .250 batting average looks like a red flag, but that was due in large part to a .293 BABIP, the fifth-lowest in the FSL among 47 qualified hitters in the league. You may be thinking “yeah, but he was just beating up on a bunch of kids.” There may be some truth to that, but a deeper dive suggests to me that he won’t crumble against more advanced pitching. Yes, Wiel faced younger pitchers 78.8 percent of the time, but he thrived against competition more up to par with his level of experience. He was actually much better against older pitchers, hitting .266/.366/.468 (.834 OPS) in 112 plate appearances, posting nearly as many walks (16) as strikeouts (17). He also had strong numbers against some of the best pitchers in the FSL. Against the top five qualified pitchers in the league per FIP, Wiel hit .375/.474/.750 (1.224 OPS) over 19 plate appearances. Tiny sample size, I know, but it’s another shred of positive evidence in Wiel’s favor. Wiel also finished the year strong, hitting .291/.383/.488 (.871 OPS) over his final 36 games, showing he was prepared to take the next step. It’s too bad he didn’t get a shot in Double-A, but it’s not his fault Rodriguez was putting together an MVP-like campaign for the Lookouts. A big guy at 6-3 and 232 lbs, Wiel is more well-built than beefy. His athleticism shows up on the field, as he’s legged out 14 triples the past two seasons and is 15-for-18 in stolen base attempts (83.3 percent success rate) in his career. He even got some work in the outfield for the first time as a pro last year, logging 17 games in left field for the Miracle. Sometimes prospect rankings can be harsh on guys drafted out of college. I completely understand why, but players like Garver and Zack Granite are perfect examples of how prospect rankings, or perceived ceilings, only matter to a certain point. Potential only gets you so far and most players never reach their perceived ceilings. At the end of the day, it’s all about performance and continued improvement. So is Zander Wiel the heir apparent to Joe Mauer at first base? No, probably not. If you’ve made it this far, you can probably tell I have a bit of a thing for this guy, but he’s still down at No. 48 even on my list. We’re going to learn a lot about Wiel in 2018, however, and a big year against stiffer competition could really catapult his status. Wiel still has a long road ahead, but at the very least he’s a player worth familiarizing yourself with as he prepares to step up to the high minors in 2018. For more on Wiel and about 170 other Twins minor leaguers, be sure to pick up a copy of the 2018 Twins Prospect Handbook, which will be available later this winter.
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Article: Twins Add Three Players To 40 Man Roster
Tom Froemming replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That was nuts. I thought for sure he was going to come back to us once Mesoraco got healthy. The crazy thing is Cincy already has maybe the best defensive catcher in baseball in Tucker Barnhart signed through 2022, so why did they basically move mountains to keep Turner? Very strange. Entirely possible somebody does that with Diaz.- 127 replies
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Thome obviously had an incredible career, but how often was he truly among the absolute best few players in baseball? His MVP shares is shockingly low at 1.22. He topped out with a fourth-place finish in 2003. You may think that's a poor point of focus, but a lot of the same people who vote for the MVP also vote for the Hall of Fame. Jose Bautista has more MVP shares. So does Paul Goldschmidt. So does Nolan Arenado, who's only played five seasons. Thome was also only an All-Star five times.That's one fewer than Will Clark, Prince Fielder, Paul Konerko and Don Mattingly and the same as Andres Galarraga, Todd Helton and Fred McGriff. Again, not the greatest point of reference, but I think it's worth pointing out. Thome will get into the Hall of Fame, but if guys like Mike Piazza and Jeff Bagwell couldn't get in right away I think it'll take Thome a few years. Hell, guys like Edgar Martinez and Larry Walker are probably never getting in.
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These are great, thanks Steve. Encouraging to see Paul, Vasquez and Hackimer all hold their own despite having never reached Double-A yet.
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Article: Twins Add Three Players To 40 Man Roster
Tom Froemming replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think Diaz gets picked, but ends up being returned. I'm curious if maybe the pitching moves suggest the team is more likely to beef up the bullpen via free agency than the rotation. One thing I'm confident about is this means the Twins will be active on the free agent market. Four spots open. Ohtani+Darvish+Wade Davis+Carols Santana = four baseball players. Coincidence? Well, yeah ... probably- 127 replies
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Really sucked? That's a bit harsh, no? Curtiss' K:BB numbers over that small sample certainly pass the sniff test (10 Ks, 2 BBs in 8.2 IP). He's also is actually younger than Burdi and averaged 95.6 mph on his fastball during his cup of coffee while Moya was at just 91.2 mph. I'm not saying Curtiss is in another class above those three other guys or anything like that, but you make him out to be trash. Seems to me he has a high ceiling, low floor, great results and we're certainly not going to nitpick his health when we're throwing Burdi or Jay into the same conversation, lol. What am I missing here? You must be forecasting more trouble with the longball/too much hard contact.
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Article: What's Next For Kennys Vargas?
Tom Froemming replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
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Congrats to Molitor. I don't think he's the best game manager, but I was very impressed with how his club finished out the year despite facing quite a bit of adversity, some of which was self inflicted by the front office. It would've been really easy for the team to just have quit in the second half. That was certainly a huge issue in Gardy's last four years. His clubs had a .444 winning percentage in the 1st half and just .365 in the 2nd half over that run. Anyway, here's hoping Molly can continue to set that tone of professionalism and consistent effort while also picking up some tricks from the new faces in the org.
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Article: What's Next For Kennys Vargas?
Tom Froemming replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Thanks for the comments. There's a lot more support for Kennys than I had expected. It seemed like most of the offseason blueprints I was seeing had him left off the roster. Anyway, let's say Sano opens the year at something like 85-90% health. You feel comfortable DHing him, but not putting him at 3B. What do you do? Have him start the season on the DL until he was healthy? Or would you DH him and hope that doesn't hinder his recovery at all? -
Article: What's Next For Kennys Vargas?
Tom Froemming replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Very fair synopsis. I'd like to see him get another look, but with Sano's uncertainty it seems like that may be very difficult. Is there evidence he's had issues with that? True. He has the potential to be a star over there and make some good money for a few years, so if that's how it ends up I'll be happy for him. 2016/17 HR% (HR/PA) Dozier 5.46% Vargas 4.76% Put in other terms, if you gave both of them 600 plate appearances, based off their performances the past two seasons Dozier only out-homers Vargas by roughly four. Also, while we're comparing the two, Dozier's breakout came in his age 27 season, after he'd compiled 963 PAs. Vargas is entering his age 27 season and has 859 PAs. I think it's entirely possible Vargas is on the verge of taking the next step, but with his lack of any defensive value it's going to be pretty difficult to shoehorn him into the 25-man roster for the entire season, unless something unforeseen happens -
The Twins have already been busy trimming down their 40-man roster, but the shuffling has only just begun. As we approach a couple of important dates on the MLB transaction calendar, we should begin to get some clarity in regard to the future of one player in particular: Kennys Vargas.There's a legit argument to be made that Vargas has the most power in the Twins organization, and entering his age 27 season it's possible he's just now reaching his peak. He hit some of the most impressive homers of any Twins hitter last season. Here’s a look back at the five longest home runs hit by the Twins in 2017: It should come as no surprise that Vargas led the Twins in average home run distance, but his mark of 423 feet also led all of baseball among hitters with at least 10 homers. Only four players hit a ball farther than that 483-foot mammoth he destroyed. Vargas will be out of options in 2018, so he'll have to stick on the 25-man roster all season, but he'll still be incredibly cheap. He's not even eligible for arbitration yet. And when you take a look at his numbers, it appears he could the solution if the Twins are looking for an everyday DH. Vargas 2016-17 .244/.322/.466 (.788 OPS), HR/18.7 ABs AL DH Averages 2017 .243/.317/.418 (.735 OPS), HR/23.2 ABs It would be tough to lose a guy like that on waivers and get nothing in return. Still, Vargas’ future is heavily dependent on how the Twins think Sano will recover from his surgery and whether or not they bring back Robbie Grossman, among other things out of his control. The deadline to add players to the 40-man roster in order to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft is this coming Monday (Nov. 20). If Kennys makes the cut, the next big date becomes Dec. 1, the deadline to tender arbitration-eligible players, like Grossman, contracts for 2018. With his place on the roster tenuous at best, it doesn't seem likely Vargas would fetch much of a return via trade, but the Twins could always explore selling his rights to a team overseas. Earlier this offseason, Mike Berardino of the Pioneer Press wrote a piece that indicated Vargas has some interest in playing abroad if the opportunity presents itself. Still, I'm sure Vargas would love to stick with the Twins in particular because they'll be playing two games this April in San Juan, Puerto Rico, his home country. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. Fun With Numbers Here are some more offensive numbers I found interesting while digging around at Baseball Savant: Twins Avg HR distance in feet (min. 10) 423-Vargas 413-Sano 405-Jason Castro 404-Eduardo Escobar 403-Byron Buxton 398-Max Kepler 397-Eddie Rosario 394-Brian Dozier 392-Jorge Polanco Twins Top 5 Avg. Exit Velocity (MPH) 92.4-Sano (fourth in MLB) 90.2-Joe Mauer 88.3-Kepler 87.5-Dozier 86.9-Castro Twins Top 5 Avg. Exit Velo on Fly Balls in MPH (min. 30 results) 97.7-Sano 95.0-Dozier 93.3-Buxton 92.7-Rosario 91.5-Vargas That's some particularly interesting stuff on Dozier. Is it possible to say that a guy doesn't necessarily have plus power, but at the same time say he's excellent at hitting home runs? That may sound like a backhanded compliment, but if anything it speaks to Dozier’s skill in capitalizing on the pitches he can hit out. He led the team in homers, but Dozier's most prodigious shot (435 feet) was just the 18th-longest on the team. But he also led the team with three in balls hit at least 400 feet that stayed in the yard. As a team, the Twins had 15 balls hit 400 feet or more that weren’t homers. The longest was a 428-foot blast by Sano on April 11 that went for a double. On Aug. 6, Jason Castro hit the longest ball for an out, it traveled 411 feet. Eddie Rosario hit the shortest homer of the year for the Twins, a 349-footer on June 16, but that wasn’t even a cheap one, comparatively speaking. The shortest homer in baseball last year was a 302-foot oppo taco Lorenzo Cain wrapped around Pesky’s Pole in Boston. Click here to view the article
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There's a legit argument to be made that Vargas has the most power in the Twins organization, and entering his age 27 season it's possible he's just now reaching his peak. He hit some of the most impressive homers of any Twins hitter last season. Here’s a look back at the five longest home runs hit by the Twins in 2017: https://twitter.com/TwinsHighlights/status/930248575560364032?s=17 https://twitter.com/TwinsHighlights/status/930249024812265472?s=17 https://twitter.com/TwinsHighlights/status/930249331306827776?s=17 https://twitter.com/TwinsHighlights/status/930249621095493635?s=17 https://twitter.com/TwinsHighlights/status/930249939480870912?s=17 It should come as no surprise that Vargas led the Twins in average home run distance, but his mark of 423 feet also led all of baseball among hitters with at least 10 homers. Only four players hit a ball farther than that 483-foot mammoth he destroyed. Vargas will be out of options in 2018, so he'll have to stick on the 25-man roster all season, but he'll still be incredibly cheap. He's not even eligible for arbitration yet. And when you take a look at his numbers, it appears he could the solution if the Twins are looking for an everyday DH. Vargas 2016-17 .244/.322/.466 (.788 OPS), HR/18.7 ABs AL DH Averages 2017 .243/.317/.418 (.735 OPS), HR/23.2 ABs It would be tough to lose a guy like that on waivers and get nothing in return. Still, Vargas’ future is heavily dependent on how the Twins think Sano will recover from his surgery and whether or not they bring back Robbie Grossman, among other things out of his control. The deadline to add players to the 40-man roster in order to protect them from the Rule 5 Draft is this coming Monday (Nov. 20). If Kennys makes the cut, the next big date becomes Dec. 1, the deadline to tender arbitration-eligible players, like Grossman, contracts for 2018. With his place on the roster tenuous at best, it doesn't seem likely Vargas would fetch much of a return via trade, but the Twins could always explore selling his rights to a team overseas. Earlier this offseason, Mike Berardino of the Pioneer Press wrote a piece that indicated Vargas has some interest in playing abroad if the opportunity presents itself. Still, I'm sure Vargas would love to stick with the Twins in particular because they'll be playing two games this April in San Juan, Puerto Rico, his home country. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up. Fun With Numbers Here are some more offensive numbers I found interesting while digging around at Baseball Savant: Twins Avg HR distance in feet (min. 10) 423-Vargas 413-Sano 405-Jason Castro 404-Eduardo Escobar 403-Byron Buxton 398-Max Kepler 397-Eddie Rosario 394-Brian Dozier 392-Jorge Polanco Twins Top 5 Avg. Exit Velocity (MPH) 92.4-Sano (fourth in MLB) 90.2-Joe Mauer 88.3-Kepler 87.5-Dozier 86.9-Castro Twins Top 5 Avg. Exit Velo on Fly Balls in MPH (min. 30 results) 97.7-Sano 95.0-Dozier 93.3-Buxton 92.7-Rosario 91.5-Vargas That's some particularly interesting stuff on Dozier. Is it possible to say that a guy doesn't necessarily have plus power, but at the same time say he's excellent at hitting home runs? That may sound like a backhanded compliment, but if anything it speaks to Dozier’s skill in capitalizing on the pitches he can hit out. He led the team in homers, but Dozier's most prodigious shot (435 feet) was just the 18th-longest on the team. But he also led the team with three in balls hit at least 400 feet that stayed in the yard. As a team, the Twins had 15 balls hit 400 feet or more that weren’t homers. The longest was a 428-foot blast by Sano on April 11 that went for a double. On Aug. 6, Jason Castro hit the longest ball for an out, it traveled 411 feet. Eddie Rosario hit the shortest homer of the year for the Twins, a 349-footer on June 16, but that wasn’t even a cheap one, comparatively speaking. The shortest homer in baseball last year was a 302-foot oppo taco Lorenzo Cain wrapped around Pesky’s Pole in Boston.
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Article: Minnesota’s Best Defensive Seasons
Tom Froemming replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Hmm, you seem to have left out Joe Mauer's 2017 season Man, those Twins teams of the early 2000s were so fun to watch in the field. I'm interested if anybody in TD land has any recollections to share about catcher Butch Wynegar's 1979 season. He led the league in caught stealing at 53%, was behind the plate for 146 games and only had six errors and five passed balls. He was before my time, so I never saw him play. Obviously, evaluation of catcher defense has evolved quite a bit in recent years, but did he have a pretty strong reputation at the time? -
Man, these are five super talented guys to be outside the top 20. Would you say the depth across the system is above average compared to the last 10-15 years?
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Surprise Saguaros game, Thursday Nov 9
Tom Froemming commented on ashbury's blog entry in Left Coast Bias
I'm gonna to have to get down there one of these years. As someone who doesn't always really love the crowds and rarely sits in his assigned seat, this sounds great. Also, my go-to beverage at Target Field is the 24 oz PBR can. Not my favorite beer, but it's the best bang for your buck at the stadium. -
I'd love it if they brought back Kintzler to close and got Iglesias to be the setup guy/bullpen ace. That allows Iglesias to pitch in the most high-leverage spots and prevents him from opting into arbitration. The only thing relievers can do to make big bucks there is rack up saves. It's always going to sting to give up prospects, but I think this team is in the position to make that kind of a move, especially for a long-term asset like Iglesias.
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Surprise Saguaros game, Thursday Nov 9
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2018 Twins Blueprint
Tom Froemming commented on Baseball Bat's blog entry in Baseball Bat's Offseason Blueprint
This is great. I know he's on the decline, but I still think Bautista would make a ton of sense, especially on a one-year deal. Even in a down year he had a walk rate of 12.2% and averaged 4.35 pitches/plate appearance, which was the sixth in all of baseball (right behind Mauer). Toronto gave him 686 PAs last year. If used a bit more sparingly, could he have a Thome-esque renaissance season? Maybe that's too much to ask, but I certainly agree that Bautista represents a low-risk, potentially high-reward option. -
That's some odd logic. You don't think he's much of a prospect, but you think he should be higher up on a top prospect ranking? I guess it all depends on your methodology in ranking guys. Personally, I wouldn't put much of an emphasis on proximity to the majors and may have Slegers even lower than Seth. That's not to say I don't like him, but his ceiling is quite a bit lower (funny thing to say about a guy that's 6'10") than a Leach/Lachlan/other guys of that ilk.
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Article: Supplementing The Twins: A Rotation Trio
Tom Froemming replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Another good one. Nice work on these, Ted. My concerns with FA pitchers are much more around decline in performance rather than injury risk. You hate to pay a guy to sit on the DL, but having a high-paid starter who you're all but forced to keep rolling out there despite struggles is maybe even worse. With that said, I'm really intrigued by Cobb. He's got a 112 ERA+ over 700 innings in his career. The injuries are a concern, but if healthy I'm confident he'll be at the very least a guy you want in your rotation. Chacin has a nearly identical 111 ERA+ in over 1,000 career innings, but he's been much less consistent. The big gap between the two comes in K:BB ratio. Cobb has a career mark of 2.79, Chacin 1.94 (2.13 and 2.16 the past two seasons). I could definitely see a scenario in which you sign Chacin and three months later you're already thinking "geez, we have guys in the minors I'd way rather see pitching every fifth day than this guy." -
Targeting the Trade Market - Wheelin' and Dealin'
Tom Froemming commented on John Olson's blog entry in Four Six Three
Good stuff, but if I'm the Twins I think I'm approaching the 2018 season under the assumption that Miguel Sano is going to be DHing more often than not. The whole fact that he might need a titanium rod in his leg is freaking me out. Maybe everything will be fine and he'll be able to return to 3B without issue, but I'd rather not bank on that.- 4 comments
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Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
Tom Froemming replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Good points about catching. Chatwood's called strike percentage heatmap looks considerably worse than Ervin Santana's, Jose Berrios' or Kyle Gibson's. That's not 100 percent on the catcher, as we saw in the Wild Card game if a pitcher misses his spot badly a strike can often get called a ball, but by comparing those heatmaps I'd be willing to bargain Chatwood would have a nice boost in called strikes throwing to Castro. -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
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While statistical analysis has evolved greatly, the valuation process in arbitration hasn't, and I don't believe it will. Sano puts up the kind of numbers that make you the big bucks in arbitration (HRs & RBIs mostly) so I think it would be a good idea for the Twins to try to get some cost certainty and lock him up. But, if they're going to try to do it this winter, I'd expect a bit of an uncertainty discount given his injury. If he really ends up needing a titanium rod in his leg, who knows how he comes back from that. With all that said, I doubt anything gets done. It's just kinda weird timing for both sides.
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