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  1. Again, keeping in mind that I'm just some idiot on the internet, HP has sunk below 60/share. HP is a big oil rig company that we owned for about a decade and its growth allowed me to pay off a bunch of student loans, so I really like it. Very nice dividend as well. I'm not sure if we'll re-buy it but we probably will and it's worth watching.
  2. Sale was fine until he started hearing the language the fans used and he had no choice but to do what he did, the environment the fans created drove him to is. I jest slightly. Outside of the sissies v. neanderthals comments that these threads always evolve (de-evolve?) into, someone on a different message board suggested that the make-up of ace type pitchers - Clemens, Pedro, Bumgarner, Beckett, Santana, Kershaw even Doc Holladay - almost requires them to find some slight to focus/burn on. I think there might be something to that in that I can't think of any true aces that weren't sorta pricks on the mound. Some of those pitchers would certainly have done what Sale did while others might have had a better understanding of the unwritten rules and not done it but all of them were more than willing to peg a batter if needed.
  3. If you think racist behavior and statements by fans is created or encouraged by anything that players do, you don't understand how racism works. Guys like the video game player or the yokel who threw peanuts and shouted racist taunts didn't get there because of anything Adam Jones did.
  4. https://thebaseballcodes.com/2017/05/03/obsess-much-time-for-red-sox-to-let-go-of-machados-slide/
  5. Yeah, this rivalry is getting a lot more fun and I assume something will happen tonight although maybe the umps will give warnings before the game starts.
  6. I dunno. I don't mind Rice being in the HOF but I'm a big hall guy. But I don't think WAR was the stat needed to prove he didn't belong. A lot of his numbers are comparable to other non-HOFers. He kind of fits in with the 'professional hitter' groups - 9000 or so PA, 2500 or so hits, 350-400 or so HR. Baines, Evans, Clark even Torii Hunter. I don't think of those guys as HOFers but they were all good players who played for a long time. But not as good as Fred McGriff.
  7. For more fun, looks like Sally Yates will testify that she warned the Trump White House about Flynn. This, if true, contradicts the White House story. http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/02/politics/sally-yates-michael-flynn-testimony-contradict/ She is "expected to give her version of events when she informed the White House about her concerns that Flynn may have been "compromised" by the Russians, contradicting Spicer's comment that Yates was simply giving officials a "heads up" about the then-national security advisor." I keep hoping this Russian stuff will actually sink this white house.
  8. And minor league ball's write up on Kyle Wright. I think the Twins will draft either McKay or Wright. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/5/2/15494548/2017-mlb-draft-profile-kyle-wright-rhp-vanderbilt
  9. More on Greene here - http://m.mlb.com/news/article/227892448/is-hunter-greene-the-best-high-school-rhp-ever/ Callis discusses if Greene is the best HS pitcher ever. Some think Beckett is still the best HS arm but they did compare Greene to some recent HS arms - "Compared to prep right-handers from this decade, Greene has much better command than Riley Pint (No. 4 overall, 2016, Rockies), much more athleticism than Tyler Kolek (No. 2, 2014, Marlins) and Lucas Giolito (No. 16, 2012, Nationals) and a better delivery than Pint or Dylan Bundy (No. 4, 2011, Orioles). Some scouts will counter that Pint threw just as hard and had much better secondary pitches, and that Bundy was the most polished high school arm they've ever seen."
  10. No, they don't. Unless you have actual studies that show that competitive sporting events permissibly create environments where racism is tolerated or allowed, this is bunk. Houston and Texas had a wonderful couple of days of fighting but we aren't seeing Houston fans calling Beltre racist words. Ranger fans didn't use racist language against Bautista. Blue Jays fans didn't use it against Odor. As the Sabathia article noted, black ball players know that they'll be called horrific names in Boston and no where else. That's not because Fenway is super competitive. It's not because the players call it on themselves. It's on the fans and the culture they have created.
  11. Glunn, I appreciate your story and your comment. This thread bothered me a lot last night to the point where I had trouble sleeping over it. I do agree that everyone here thinks the language used has no purpose and those idiots are true scum. That's good. My bigger concern is trying to justify or excuse such acts. Saying that the players actions in any way was a reason for such language is both factually wrong and it creates a way to take some (not all) of the blame off of the yahoos that did this. Read this story. Long story short, apparently a professional video game player was caught using racist language and was fired over it. After it came out, he claimed that he was not racist and he made the same excuses we're seeing in this thread - that it was extremely competitive environment, he was upset and that the other side was cheating. No one in their right mind believes those excuses. When one of these Boston idiots gets publicly outed (and it'll happen eventually) he'll say the same thing. "I'm not racist. I was just worked up over how they spiked Pedroia" as if that's a reason for that language. When we create excuses - even if our intent wasn't to give the racists an out - it softens how we view the act.
  12. Who cares what reason racist fans needed? It's just pretext. They didn't say, "well, normally I would never call Adam Jones this or that but since the game is more important now, I'll say it." No, they felt the environment in Fenway is acceptable to that language. That has nothing at all to do with the players and several reports today noted that. Nothing the players do or don't do affects that. The racism that we are condoning is on the fans. Full stop. Suggesting that the fans wouldn't act like this if the players acted differently is simply wrong. Jones has been targeted by Red Sox several times for this. When CC Sabathia is called racist names it's not because the team he played for created that environment. It's because the fans created that environment. http://nypost.com/2017/05/02/disgusted-cc-sabathia-opens-up-about-being-black-in-boston/
  13. Let me put it this way since the mods are on me now. There is nothing to say on this other than "the racist fans in Boston are to blame." Full stop. You don't get to add on a 'but' or a 'however.' You don't say, 'yeah those racist buttheads are to blame but those players ..." No. The players actions had nothing to do with these idiots and giving those racists even a little wiggle room - the players encouraged their actions, a mob mentality egged them on, whatever - is a step too far.
  14. sigh. Yes, we should focus on what's important, ending rivalries in sports. That way, the poor fans won't be so agitated that they express racist thoughts. Do you honestly not see what you're saying?
  15. http://deadspin.com/how-not-to-react-to-news-of-boston-fan-racism-1794848944
  16. She literally typed "Because players seek retribution, so do the fans." That's an excuse. Then she wrote "If there weren't 'bad blood' stemming from a perceived wrong, would this be happening?" Another excuse. And then "This is when unwritten rules go awry and fans get into the act." That's moving the blame from the fans to the players.
  17. I think he might though. Enough nitpicking on him (more floor than ceiling type, fitness, makeup), plus all those HS arms .... he's going to fall out of the top 20 and 35 isn't too far.
  18. The yahoo article? How does that show correlation? Because Mike Oz of big league stew said so? He included two links and a tweet of people who simply don't believe Jones in the first place. If you want to suggest things at a sport that are masks for racism, you might want to start with the Pheonix gorilla, not baseball fights. It is absurd that anyone would think that intensity of play would cause, encourage, or excuse racist fan behavior, which is exactly what is happening.
  19. No. Show me any evidence that there's a correlation. You don't get to just claim there is. Your logic is literally saying that because a Latino ballplayer slid hard into a white ballplayer a fan was encouraged to use racial slurs at a black ball player a week later. There is nothing to support that theory at all and you're just excusing their behavior, even if you don't want to say you are. You don't get to claim that the ball players created a mob mentality because of how they played the game. And pretending it does just gives a way for white people to excuse racist behavior.
  20. That's a hell of a lot of victim blaming and excuse making right there. Racist *******s don't need a reason to be bigots and baseball players don't make them into bigots. You are essentially saying that because the players made the series hotter, these idiots had no choice but to throw objects and use racial slurs. You are saying that the fans wanted to hurt Adam Jones (but somehow not Weiters) because of retribution and using racial slurs was the way to do it. How ****ing stupid is that? You're excusing racism because the players caused the poor white fans emotions to get heated up.
  21. Shopify is having itself a day.
  22. Or, the Twins are 0-3 against Cleveland and 12-8 against the rest. Narrative.
  23. The USA Today story said that the Red Sox "were investigating the total amount of people who were ejected from the game, but believed it was about half the amount for a variety of violations." The half presumably refers to the number provided by Jones (60).
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